

| Subject: | Re: 2.1 L WBX Overheat -1991 Carat |
| From: | John Dillon |
| Date: | Sat, 21 Mar 2015 21:41:20 -0400 |
There are people who have a different experience than you - your a dick for insulting them. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 21, 2015, at 10:47 AM, Don Hanson <dhanson928@GMAIL.COM> wrote: > > See? "Deniers" > > It does not matter how many times the subject of WBX engine reliability > comes up, there are plenty who simply LOVE the WBX motor for some reason > that I have never heard adequately explained. > > There's probably no data collected on how often a WBX blows up compared > to any other engine..If there was, I would suspect there would still be > people with their heads in the sand, buying up WBX motors... But really > people....when a popular product has a really notoriously bad reputation > for lots of ongoing problems and weak design features, when we just read > half a dozen posts about all the bad things that get sent out with rebuilt > WBX motors, when the Rap is SO BAD on a product....why would you suppose > everyone else is always WRONG about it, and your particular encounter with > this product, that will certainly be different.....? > > I guess I'll never know exactly why people continue to believe, despite > 30-some years of historically poor performance, that an old crummy design > is still a "good" choice to put back into a vanagon when your first (or > 15th) stock motor blows up or wets the bed again.... > > Go on, stick another WBX motor in there....You may be one of the lucky > ones that has it go 10k+ miles before the next problem....but if history > has been written correctly, that is unlikely...."Why, I remember my Great > Aunt, from Kazakastan....smoked a carton a day for her whole life....lived > to be 109 and never once coughed! "....yeah, right.... > >> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:18 PM, Angus Gordon <birdworks@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Mark me down as a waterboxer fan as well. When first researching T3's in >> the '90's I heard the usual badmouthing of the WBX and was looking into >> aircooled , but fortunately ran into a VW mechanic in N. Carolina who >> showed me the water jacket seal problem and his epoxy repair. I immediately >> thought - "that's my kind of engine!" >> >> It may not be for everyone, but if you can work on it yourself, (a VW >> tradition) it can be simple and dependable. >> >> Here's the requisite Friday image - >> >> http://vanagonlust.tumblr.com/post/113678988574/waterboxer >> >> >> Angus >> >> >>>> On Mar 20, 2015, at 1:07 PM, Mark McCulley <markmcculley@GMAIL.COM> >>> wrote: >>> >>> I must be the exception that proves the rule. 193K miles and never a >> major >>> problem with my 2.1 WBX motor. Really, very few minor problems, the only >>> one I can recall is a bad ignition coil that prevented the motor from >>> running. >>> >>> -Mark >>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 8:08 AM, Don Hanson <dhanson928@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>>> >>>> I must say, when I hear people asking this same general question over >>>> and over about what to do about the motor, when they've broken their >>>> Vanagon...and they keep on with the questions about the WBX >> motor....What >>>> is wrong, People? What part of "the WBX is very poor motor" do you not >>>> get? >>>> Within ten minutes,, researching on the internet, when diesel fuel for >>>> my truck and Alaskan Camper got very expensive not long ago and I began >>>> looking for a camping vehicle I could afford to keep driving, it became >>>> quickly evident that VW vans, with standard WBX motors were simply not >>>> very dependable and undeniably prone to all kinds of frequent expensive >>>> failures. It is right there, in black and white, over and over and >>>> over.....you can stick your fingers in your ears and go "La La La la la >>>> la..with your tongue our at the top of your voice" trying to deny the >>>> facts....but there it IS! >>>> >>>> I suppose that "collectors" might have a reason to keep the >>>> poorly-designed and undependable standard VW waterboxer motor in their >>>> collector vans, but for those who use them daily, it makes no sense >>>> whatsoever to even consider wanting to re-install a very problematic and >>>> undeniably poorly-designed standard engine in an otherwise excellent >>>> vehicle.. >>>> >>>> .If someone GAVE me a pristine Go Westie or Boston Bob motor, I still >> would >>>> NOT put it in my vanagon....Why would I, when all the other's who've >> driven >>>> these wonderful vehicles have already proven that the WBX motor simply >> is >>>> not good, except in a few very rare cases where someone has kept one >>>> running for more than a year or two. What part of "Poor choice"...is >>>> unclear? >>>> >>>> The math has been done. The HIstory has been made.... The Vanagons >> have >>>> been around for a long time now, still spewing water and oil and >> blowing up >>>> and being rebuilt. The ones that are giving good service are those >> that >>>> have different motors installed.....There is no other way to interpret >> all >>>> the available information about the WBX motor... >>>> >>>> I've never bothered to do all the math but generally it seems like >>>> people spend just slightly less having a Water boxer motor put into >> their >>>> vanagon than they would if they had another more effective type of motor >>>> installed....but really, people......Where's the justification for >> paying >>>> more for an inferior design, where's the fun in spending a couple of >> grand >>>> on a POS that will be blowing up in a few years anyhow and will get >> crummy >>>> gas mileage and go slowly till it does blow? >>>> >>>> I'd say the jury should be in when it comes to the verdict on the >>>> Waterboxer motor......They aren't even heavy enough to make good boat >>>> anchors.. >>
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