

| Subject: | Re: Gas - Cheap vs Expensive |
| From: | James |
| Date: | Fri, 15 May 2015 20:44:58 -0400 |
David, this is a beautiful response. The key part is: "And that > number is 87, regular grade fuel. If you're > really flogging the beast the owner's manual says > you can use higher octane (mid-grade) if you want, just in case." My Canadian owner's manual says to use 87 octance, but recommends the mid-grade, 89 octane, for "heavy loads and high speeds under hot conditions". When up in the Appalachians of New Hampshire or New Brunswick, I buy 89 octane. (Actually in NB, I often buy the 91 octane, as NB regulates gas prices and 91 octane is only 6 cents a litre/23 cents a US gallon more than 87 octane there, unlike Ontario, where the spread is 14-16 cents a litre or more!) James Ottawa, ON > Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 15:11:13 -0400 > From: dbeierl@ATTGLOBAL.NET > Subject: Re: Fwd: Gas - Cheap vs Expensive > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM > > At 02:23 PM 5/15/2015, PB wrote: > >About a year and a half ago there was a thread about which gasoline to > >use. If I remember right, there was a general consensus that Vanagons were > >made to use cheap gas, > > Stop right there, please. If we think in cheap > vs expensive it all gets very confusing. After > you figure out what sort of gas you want to use > then you can try to find it cheaply. > > The Vanagon requires fuel with a certain octane > rating to operate correctly. Octane rating is a > number that rates the gasoline's ability to > resist exploding inside your engine. You don't > want it to explode. You want it to burn rapidly > but smoothly, and for the Vanagon at sea level > you need to use fuel with octane rating of at > least 87, American style. Butbutbut, you > say. There are two common methods for rating > octane, called the Research method and the Motor > method. In Europe they like the Research method, > and the Vanagon needs gas with a Research Octane > Number of 91, just like it says on your sticker > (you can see the RON if you look). In the US for > some reason we like both methods. We like them > so well that we use the average of the two for > the octne number we stick on th epump. And that > number is 87, regular grade fuel. If you're > really flogging the beast the owner's manual says > you can use higher octane (mid-grade) if you want, just in case. > > If you go up in the mountains you'll get another > scare because the pumps will say 85 on them -- > that's ok, because of the altitude 85 octane is > sufficient. Note that "high-octane" gas isn't > filled with more energy than regular -- it's > actually filled with a bit less. Its virtue is > burning smoothly in high-compression engines that > tend to make the fuel explode. Its other virtue > is that in order to encourage you to buy the > fancy gasoline, the blender/refiner/brand may put > lots of lovely detergent and ssuch in their > high-test, but skimp on it in their regular > grade. If that were true, either using Techron > from time to time or switching to the expensive > gas would keep your engine from getting all crudded up internally. > > And that brings us to Top Tier gasoline. Some > brands have agreed to sell only gasoline with a > superior detergent package and other good > qualities, and in turn VW and other mfrs suggest > that you buy this high-quality gas carried by the > Top Tier brands. It comes in high, mid, and low > octane, but they all have the good detergent > package. VW thinks it's a very good idea for you > to use gas meeting the Top Tier standard as it > will keep your engine clean and happy > inside. But they don't care which brand you use, > and they don't forbid you to use gas that is not > Top Tier. They just warn that you may not like > the long-term results when your engine > potentially gets all clogged up with stuff. > > Yours, > David > > > so I immediately switched from 91 octane Costco gas > ><http://blog.modbargains.com/what-is-top-tier-gas-and-why-it-matters-its-at-costco/> > >to 87. > > > >A few weeks ago, after a tuneup and compression > > adjustment > >in all 4 cylinders, my mechanic, Bela, told me I was using "BAD GAS." He > >told me that Costco gas was BAD, and would ruin the cylinders, and that I > >needed to use 91 (89 at the lowest) octane *MOBIL* gas for the best > >performance. (Mobil gas is extremely high-priced, and averages $.3 > >5 > > - $1.00 per gallon above all other brands.) OK. So I switched to Mobil > >91 octane - for my van ONLY, and I actually have been getting better > >mileage. (Had to use Gas Buddy to find the lowest priced Mobil, which is > > > >on my daily route, and pay cash to avoid credit card surcharge > >.) > > > > > >Yesterday, I noticed the dog-eared stickers on my passenger door, and was > >able to see that 91 octane was recommended when the vehicle was made
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