Still holding out for pictures directly in the list. You can have them
automatically taken down at a specified time after posting so that space
isn't an issue. I'm pretty sure the list will be around, FB is a great way
to socialize but a horrible way to find and access information.

Jim

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 8:21 AM Dave Mcneely <mcneely4@cox.net> wrote:

> I can't abide Facebook, don't use it, never have, though I once signed on
> at the urging of an acquaintance.  Found it not to my taste.
>
> I would not like to see this list disappear.  Though I do not have the
> knowledge or skills of so many others on here, I very much enjoy learning
> from the conversation here, and sharing what I can regards those things I
> do know about -- mainly to do with camping and traveling with my beast.
>
> So, let's keep it alive, and encourage others.  Pictures?  Alll one needs
> to do is post a link, and the pictures are there.  What's wrong with that?
> Besides, exercising one's descriptive skills and applying spatial
> imagination to other's descriptions is a part of the fun in life.
>
> mcneely
>
> ---- Stuart MacMillan <stuartmacm@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> > There should always be a place for an old school list like this. I
> joined in
> > 2000, and learned a lot after owning my '84 for fourteen years (bought
> it in
> > '86).  I'm now on my second, an '85 bought in 2012 after adventures with
> a
> > '97 EVC between the two.
> >
> > I think the core of veterans can keep it going, and I hope some of the
> Gen
> > Xers and younger will at least lurk.  But this can be an intimidating
> place,
> > it's just easier to post a photo or five to FB and get a conversation
> going.
> > I understand that, but this is the important knowledge base with folks
> like
> > you, Dennis, Scott, David, Ken, Neil, Ben, OlRivrRat, Felder, Jeff, Mark
> > Drillock the beach bum, and many others, including our vendors, have
> built.
> > (Mark needs to post some photos somewhere, maybe on FB.)
> >
> > It's "institutional knowledge" that cannot be replaced.  And, it's all in
> > the archives, which are easily searchable.
> >
> > "Live on Vanagon dot com!"
> >
> > Stuart
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Alistair Bell [mailto:albell@shaw.ca]
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 7:39 PM
> > To: Stuart MacMillan
> > Cc: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> > Subject: End of the list? Was Re: Rear axle torque specs?
> >
> >
> > I know I was teasing you Stuart, but you've raised good points that have
> > been raised before and I guess really should be addressed now.
> >
> > Personally, I don't like Facebook, but I understand how it works well for
> > many people. I like this list, the samba, and some European fora that I
> peek
> > in on.
> >
> > I have a strong sentimental and yes, rational, attachment to this mailing
> > list and I would hate to see it end. I think I subscribed back in late
> 93 or
> > early 94, and it has been as much a part of my vanagon life as anything
> > else.
> >
> > But I would hate to see it end up as just a few folk talking into the
> dark.
> >
> > Alistair
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Jun 3, 2015, at 7:24 PM, Stuart MacMillan <stuartmacm@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Alistair,
> > >
> > > Yes, no doubt. We are probably the last three members left--only
> > > David, you and me now.  Maybe BenT to make four.  Call this the "last
> > straw thread."
> > >
> > > Pictures? Who needs stinkin' pictures when you can read text and
> > > visualize complex mechanical systems and concepts!!! Or not.
> > >
> > > Keeps your brain working as you get older. I hope so anyway.
> > >
> > > Even my son with his '87 Westy won't join this group, he's on the FB.
> > > Just as well or I'd probably embarrass him.
> > >
> > > I wish it was Friday, I have a bit of a surprise for the mods.  Stay
> > tuned.
> > >
> > > Stuart
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On
> > > Behalf Of Alistair Bell
> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 6:32 PM
> > > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > > Subject: Re: Rear axle torque specs?
> > >
> > > Playing with the spare set of hubs, housings, and stub axles in the
> > > mess I call my workshop, I notice the radial play of the hub on the
> > > stub axle diminishes as the hub fetches up against the ramps at the
> > > end of the grooves in the stub axle.
> > >
> > > I suppose I should assemble a unit minus the bearing housing and see
> > > if the hub comes up onto the ramps. But I can't be bothered pressing
> > > on, then off, the bearings.
> > >
> > > Hey Stuart, did I push more members to Facebook?
> > >
> > > :-)
> > >
> > > Alistair
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> On Jun 3, 2015, at 12:58 PM, David Beierl <dbeierl@ATTGLOBAL.NET>
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> At 01:02 PM 6/3/2015, OlRivrRat wrote:
> > >>>       AnyOne care to discuss just what might cause the Spacer to
> > >>> Wear Shorter ~
> > >>
> > >> Whatever moves against another surface will wear, evenly or with one
> > >> sacrificial to the other (paradixically, the harder surface tends to
> > >> sacrifice to the softer).  I  don't see the spacer as being in any
> > >> particular danger unless its composition is such that it moves and
> > >> wears preferentially to everything else in the assembly, which could
> > >> be.  Even so, I think that the splines getting beaten up on axle and
> > >> hub will be the major issue, not longitudinal wear.  Ideally those
> > >> splines would exist only as a safety backup, but whether or not that
> > >> applies here impact loading on them has to be kept to a minimum so
> > >> they don't beat each other out of shape. leading to an accelerating
> > >> cycle of increasing clearances leading to increased impact loads.  It
> > >> would be simpler if they were loaded only in one direction, but they
> > >> have to handle decelerating and reverse-gear loads as well.
> > >>
> > >> Yours,
> > >> David
> > >
>
> --
> David McNeely
>