Agree 100%. Let me know where to send the cheque so we can host pictures.

Jeff

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> On Jun 4, 2015, at 8:24 AM, Jim Felder <jim.felder@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>
> Still holding out for pictures directly in the list. You can have them
> automatically taken down at a specified time after posting so that space
> isn't an issue. I'm pretty sure the list will be around, FB is a great way
> to socialize but a horrible way to find and access information.
>
> Jim
>
>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 8:21 AM Dave Mcneely <mcneely4@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>> I can't abide Facebook, don't use it, never have, though I once signed on
>> at the urging of an acquaintance.  Found it not to my taste.
>>
>> I would not like to see this list disappear.  Though I do not have the
>> knowledge or skills of so many others on here, I very much enjoy learning
>> from the conversation here, and sharing what I can regards those things I
>> do know about -- mainly to do with camping and traveling with my beast.
>>
>> So, let's keep it alive, and encourage others.  Pictures?  Alll one needs
>> to do is post a link, and the pictures are there.  What's wrong with that?
>> Besides, exercising one's descriptive skills and applying spatial
>> imagination to other's descriptions is a part of the fun in life.
>>
>> mcneely
>>
>> ---- Stuart MacMillan <stuartmacm@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>> There should always be a place for an old school list like this. I
>> joined in
>>> 2000, and learned a lot after owning my '84 for fourteen years (bought
>> it in
>>> '86).  I'm now on my second, an '85 bought in 2012 after adventures with
>> a
>>> '97 EVC between the two.
>>>
>>> I think the core of veterans can keep it going, and I hope some of the
>> Gen
>>> Xers and younger will at least lurk.  But this can be an intimidating
>> place,
>>> it's just easier to post a photo or five to FB and get a conversation
>> going.
>>> I understand that, but this is the important knowledge base with folks
>> like
>>> you, Dennis, Scott, David, Ken, Neil, Ben, OlRivrRat, Felder, Jeff, Mark
>>> Drillock the beach bum, and many others, including our vendors, have
>> built.
>>> (Mark needs to post some photos somewhere, maybe on FB.)
>>>
>>> It's "institutional knowledge" that cannot be replaced.  And, it's all in
>>> the archives, which are easily searchable.
>>>
>>> "Live on Vanagon dot com!"
>>>
>>> Stuart
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Alistair Bell [mailto:albell@shaw.ca]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 7:39 PM
>>> To: Stuart MacMillan
>>> Cc: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>>> Subject: End of the list? Was Re: Rear axle torque specs?
>>>
>>>
>>> I know I was teasing you Stuart, but you've raised good points that have
>>> been raised before and I guess really should be addressed now.
>>>
>>> Personally, I don't like Facebook, but I understand how it works well for
>>> many people. I like this list, the samba, and some European fora that I
>> peek
>>> in on.
>>>
>>> I have a strong sentimental and yes, rational, attachment to this mailing
>>> list and I would hate to see it end. I think I subscribed back in late
>> 93 or
>>> early 94, and it has been as much a part of my vanagon life as anything
>>> else.
>>>
>>> But I would hate to see it end up as just a few folk talking into the
>> dark.
>>>
>>> Alistair
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jun 3, 2015, at 7:24 PM, Stuart MacMillan <stuartmacm@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Alistair,
>>>>
>>>> Yes, no doubt. We are probably the last three members left--only
>>>> David, you and me now.  Maybe BenT to make four.  Call this the "last
>>> straw thread."
>>>>
>>>> Pictures? Who needs stinkin' pictures when you can read text and
>>>> visualize complex mechanical systems and concepts!!! Or not.
>>>>
>>>> Keeps your brain working as you get older. I hope so anyway.
>>>>
>>>> Even my son with his '87 Westy won't join this group, he's on the FB.
>>>> Just as well or I'd probably embarrass him.
>>>>
>>>> I wish it was Friday, I have a bit of a surprise for the mods.  Stay
>>> tuned.
>>>>
>>>> Stuart
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On
>>>> Behalf Of Alistair Bell
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 6:32 PM
>>>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>>> Subject: Re: Rear axle torque specs?
>>>>
>>>> Playing with the spare set of hubs, housings, and stub axles in the
>>>> mess I call my workshop, I notice the radial play of the hub on the
>>>> stub axle diminishes as the hub fetches up against the ramps at the
>>>> end of the grooves in the stub axle.
>>>>
>>>> I suppose I should assemble a unit minus the bearing housing and see
>>>> if the hub comes up onto the ramps. But I can't be bothered pressing
>>>> on, then off, the bearings.
>>>>
>>>> Hey Stuart, did I push more members to Facebook?
>>>>
>>>> :-)
>>>>
>>>> Alistair
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 3, 2015, at 12:58 PM, David Beierl <dbeierl@ATTGLOBAL.NET>
>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> At 01:02 PM 6/3/2015, OlRivrRat wrote:
>>>>>>      AnyOne care to discuss just what might cause the Spacer to
>>>>>> Wear Shorter ~
>>>>>
>>>>> Whatever moves against another surface will wear, evenly or with one
>>>>> sacrificial to the other (paradixically, the harder surface tends to
>>>>> sacrifice to the softer).  I  don't see the spacer as being in any
>>>>> particular danger unless its composition is such that it moves and
>>>>> wears preferentially to everything else in the assembly, which could
>>>>> be.  Even so, I think that the splines getting beaten up on axle and
>>>>> hub will be the major issue, not longitudinal wear.  Ideally those
>>>>> splines would exist only as a safety backup, but whether or not that
>>>>> applies here impact loading on them has to be kept to a minimum so
>>>>> they don't beat each other out of shape. leading to an accelerating
>>>>> cycle of increasing clearances leading to increased impact loads.  It
>>>>> would be simpler if they were loaded only in one direction, but they
>>>>> have to handle decelerating and reverse-gear loads as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yours,
>>>>> David
>>>>
>>
>> --
>> David McNeely
>>