

| Subject: | Re: Tires.. Again |
| Date: | Sun, 21 Jun 2015 07:39:35 -0500 |
Interesting. Pressure does influence the ride. I am running Nokian Wrc, 215r65-16's front and rear. 48 lbs front 55 rear. Tracks perfectly very stable and handles well. Any less pressure, fuel Econ drops. Jon Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 21, 2015, at 12:01 AM, SDF ( aka ;jim lahey' - Scott ) <scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM> wrote: > > glad to see someone mention the michelin Aqilles 205/65 R 15 C load > rating ...... > that is an AWESOME Vanagon highway tire .. > like summer/tire. > > Will absoluteness transform a properly set up Vanagon compared to any 14's. > > Personally ... > I run dedicated front and rear tires and sizes.. > like ALL modern performance cars ..the rear tire is always 'more" .. > wider..lower profile but bigger cross section compared to front etc. Any > Corvette, Porsche, etc. > > With Michelin Agilles 205/65 R 15 in front, I run a 215/65 R 15 in the > rear in an H load rating ..not by fav but they work fine in the rear. > > I never like much over high 30's pis in the front .. > perhaps 44 rear . Pressured COLD> > having raced cars and motorcycles I tune the handling of the vehicle > with tire pressure. > - for ride and steering response. > ( for heavy loads I go up some, but nothing like 50+ _) > > The handling and steering response on my Vanagon set up this way is dead > neutral .. > > doesn't even lean much in turns ( it's not an understeering pig at all, > which many vanagons are Caucasus people don't know how to set them up > for concerning stability ) > < the very worst vanagons for that are 85 Weekenders and Westy's that > are too tall on their springs in the front. > 85 GL front springs will fix that just fine though. > lol..I've driven an 85 Westy that was too tall in the front ..and had > ordinary tires on it .. > it leaned like the Queen Mary in corners ...and if you go for any brio > at all..you just get right away into 'terminal understeer'...leaning way > over and grinding off front tires..most unpleasant. > > > My Van with this tire setup above will stay in a lane on the freeway > hands-off for a qtr. mile.. > to go around a corner ..just a nice 'guiding' touch is all it takes. > > I've driven at least a few hundred vanagons ..working on them and test > drives. > > if your van jumps around on bumps .. > > real story here ..I worked on a guy's Syncro tintop van . > we finish whatever we worked on and go for a drive. > > I have a nice windy and bumpy test route. > > A good cars 'just goes where you tell it to' ..is not affected by bumps > or pavement irregularities and is not sensitive to inputs like power, > brake and steering. > > His van was kinda 'all over the road' ..just in normal driving at 45 mph . > I ask what pressures are you running ? > he says 48 front and rear. > ( he had proper vanagon -rated tires btw ) > I lowered the fronts to 40 psi . > night and day difference ! > van goes right where you tell it to now ..doesn't change direction or > require steering corrections on windy roads and pumps now. > > I don't expect anyone to do this .. > but I do on my vans ( i own over 8 ) with 14' s, > I run the common 185 R 14 D load rating in the rear. > but . > I can Not Stand a D load rating in the front ..now even for one day !~ > Way too harsh and stiff..and lowering tire pressure doesn't help ...as > you try to reduce harshness with lower front tire pressure you loose > steering response crispness ) > > hard to find...but a 185 R 14 C load rating in front with a D load > rating in back ..works great. > > and next time you see a late model syncro .. > look at the tire spec label . I have looked at those many times..and I > swear it says D's in the rear and C's in the front ( aka 8 ply rating > rear, 6 ply rating front ) > > and do the tire pressures right ..you always want about 4 psi more in > the rear. > > if you want to see what the affect is there.. > try less pressure in the rear and more in the front .. > you'll have a badly oversteering vanagon that way ...more pressure in > the rear contributes toward less understeer ..or more neutral handling > response. > > some vehicles ever run wider rims in the rear and I have done that some > ..that helps too. > > anyway ...get to 15's or 16's I say. > also ....65 aspect ratio tires in general.....very sweet size. > 70- aspect ratio is good too ..I wouldn't run 75's though unless I > wanted a large tallish tire. > > Vanagon bliss > >> On 6/20/2015 11:23 AM, Mark Hersh wrote: >> These threads are always helpful to me. In 2008 I upgraded to 15" rims and >> unfortunately the tire I picked are taller than we would like (Michelin LTX >> M/S in 215/75). >> >> We want a highway tire (don't do much off-pavement stuff and what we do do >> is pretty much better Forest Service roads). >> >> I see the Goodyear Cargo G26 in a 195/70. Or Michelin Agilis or Firestone >> Transforce in 205/65. All are load range C and can take 54 to 65 psi. >> >> Thoughts? >> >> >> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 9:00 AM, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@hotmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> There are some tires still available for the 14" rims. There are still the >>> skinny hard high capacity sizes such as the 185/80-14 hankooks and the >>> like. In 87 VW began offering the 205/70-14XL tires as a handling and >>> comfort upgrade. These are getting harder to find. There are still some >>> General Altimax tires available but they are out of production. >>> Tires-easy.com has some choices in this size and load rating and they are >>> very reasonably priced. >>> >>> If willing to go for a wheel upgrade avoid 15's unless you want to >>> increase diameter. Few choices with adequate capacity without going taller. >>> Going to 16 or 17 gets choices with needed capacity and true modern >>> performance options. Favorite size is 225/60-16. This is only 3/4-1" taller >>> and the 225 width is a substantial improvement. Normal load index is 97 0r >>> 98 and XL 102 is readily available. This is a very common size. For Syncros >>> a 215/65-16 is a tad taller and can be made to fit in the spare >>> compartment. There are a number of outstanding winter and all season with >>> winter capability tires with the XL rating available. Going to a 17;s you >>> can go 225/55-17 with the same advantages and even better handling although >>> you will feel the bumps more. American Racing offers the AR95T wheels in >>> both 16 and 17 direct fit for the Vanagon with a 2,200 lb. load rating. >>> >>> Dennis >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf >>> Of Tyler Hardison >>> Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 10:49 AM >>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM >>> Subject: Tires.. Again >>> >>> My weekender has the original 14" steel rims and the chrome VW hubcaps. >>> But tires seem impossible to find. >>> >>> Is there a last ditch hope to find the correct tires? Or should I remove >>> her original feet to upgrade and just not worry about it. >>> >>> I know, personal preference. >>> >>> Those that have upgraded, was the upgrade that noticeable in the vans >>> stability? >> >> >> -- >> 86 Campmobile Six-Seater "Monty" >> >> Black dogs are euthanized at a greater rate than other-colored dogs, >> regardless of temperament. Learn about Black Dog Syndrome at >> http://www.blackpearldogs.com/ Learn about black dogs in a Vanagon at >> http://www.pbase.com/mhersh/image/108220533 >>
Have something to add on this topic today? Revive this thread in the forum »