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Dennis

-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of Dave Mcneely
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 10:44 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: Finding the PERFECT starter battery! (UPDATE!)

The table in the link does not list a group 48, unless I am completely whacko.  Help me out there.  mcneely

---- Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote: 
> Here is a BCI battery spec chart
> 
> http://www.interstatedealers.com/IBCatalog/common/automotive_spec.pdf
> 
> The BCI group 41 is 6-5/8 inches tall.
> 
> The BCI group 48 (H6) is 7-1/2 inches tall. It will not fit under the screwed down cover of a Westfalia battery box. 
> 
> Dennis
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On 
> Behalf Of SDF ( aka ;jim lahey' - Scott )
> Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 6:42 PM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: Finding the PERFECT starter battery! (UPDATE!)
> 
> sure sounds like a lot of hassle.
> All I have done for YEARS is ask for a battery for an 82 Diesel Vanagon ....it's even an US model !
> 
> a 48 is what they give me.
> 
> that is a VERY 'traditional' VW Battery ..
> it's not tall...
> the terminals are in the right places...
> it fits
> they come with provision for the positive terminal cover .
> plus it's more CCA's than a 41.
> 
> like what's not to like ???
> gettin' overly complicated seems to me.
> 
> On 7/8/2015 7:23 AM, PB wrote:
> > David,
> > Thinking that I was getting an exact replacement for my discharged 
> > battery, I went online and looked for a group 41 battery.  When I 
> > saw that it was a Bosch, and the photo provided actually LOOKED like 
> > my battery, except that there was no sticker, and the terminal cover 
> > was not there - no big deal - just reuse the old one...I didn't ask 
> > them anything.  The store is basically staffed with kids.  The 
> > manager, also young, is usually the only one who knows anything.  I 
> > just showed them the description from their website.  I didn't go 
> > through, "What is the make and model of your vehicle,etc., etc."  I 
> > just now looked it up on their website, and after putting all of the 
> > requested info for batteries, it came up with this product 
> > <http://www.pepboys.com/product/details/9652149/00854>, which is not 
> > even a battery!!!  I will go to my battery place and see what they have to say about this situation.
> > Patti
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 9:49 AM, <mcneely4@cox.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Patti, your old battery appears identical to mine, which I bought 
> >> at Pep Boys 4 years ago.  If it has the nipples for vent hose 
> >> attachment, it IS identical to mine, including the strap.  Pep Boys 
> >> also sells the vent hoses in case a PO removed them from your compartment.
> >>
> >> The new battery, as you observed, does not have the cover for the 
> >> positive post.  That is a dangerous situation, and since you 
> >> observed that the lid contacts the post, it is simply not an acceptable battery for your van.
> >> Even with the post cover, I still cover the battery with a rubber sheet to
> >> prevent contact with the metal lid.    I know that folks say that there is
> >> a rubber lining on the lid, but mine does not have one, just bare metal.
> >> There is a foam gasket around the edge, but no rubber liner.
> >>
> >>
> >> I am disappointed to learn this, because I thought that when I came 
> >> to need a new battery, I could go back to Pep Boys.  Are you 
> >> certain that the one they provided you is the one listed for the 
> >> van, or is it one that they had in stock, and thought would fit?  
> >> Such things happen.  Does it have the foot for the factory bracket?  
> >> If you look at the base of your old battery, it has a foot molded 
> >> on the bottom that has a slot where one end of the factory bracket 
> >> (clamp) fits, or at least mine does.  This is a very secure way of 
> >> holding the battery in place.  Batteries without it really need to 
> >> be shimmed with blocks of wood or some non-conducting material so that they do not move around in the compartment.
> >>
> >> mcneely
> >>
> >> ---- PB <pbrattan@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> When I opened my battery compartment, it looked like I already HAD 
> >>> the
> >> perfect
> >>> battery
> >>> <
> >> http://s74.photobucket.com/user/edtech2000/media/2015-07-07%2018.58
> >> .3
> >> 5.jpg.html
> >>> !
> >>> It already had a strap and a terminal cover, so I went to Pep Boys 
> >>> to
> >> swap
> >>> it out for a new one.  The new battery they brought out was a 
> >>> group
> >>> 41 Bosch, but NOT THE SAME BATTERY!!!  The new one was slightly 
> >>> taller and narrower from side to side than the old one.  We did 
> >>> decide that
> >> including
> >>> the height of the strap on the old one, they were both actually 
> >>> the same height.  However, this new one didn't have a strap or a terminal cover.
> >>> Pep Boys claimed that my old battery <
> >> http://s74.photobucket.com/user/edtech2000/media/2015-07-07%2018.58
> >> .3
> >> 5.jpg.html
> >>> was discontinued and replaced with this new model <
> >> http://static.pepboys.com/images/productImages/56564100/BOSCH-BATTE
> >> RY
> >> -41-675B-TOP.jpg
> >>> ,
> >>> which ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT LOOK LIKE THIS PHOTO, so I decided to 
> >>> keep my core until I was sure of the fit.
> >>>
> >>> My husband, who was helping me with the install, fashioned a way 
> >>> to lower the battery into the compartment by using some ratchet 
> >>> straps that I already had.  Once the battery was in the 
> >>> compartment, the bolt on the positive battery terminal connector 
> >>> stuck up high enough to prevent the compartment lid from closing 
> >>> properly. Since it was already dark when we discovered this, I 
> >>> decided to wait until tomorrow to check this local
> >> place
> >>> that specializes in batteries of all sizes and shapes 
> >>> <http://www.batterypower-inc.com/home.nxg>.  In fact, "Battery Power"
> >> has
> >>> already BUILT a discontinued battery for an electric bicycle I have.  
> >>> I have also been able to find several motorcycle batteries of very 
> >>> odd
> >> sizes
> >>> and shapes, in stock for immediate purchase!  Had I known that Pep 
> >>> Boys
> >> did
> >>> not have an EXACT replacement for my battery, I would have gone to
> >> Battery
> >>> Power in the first place. I  am sure that one way or another I can 
> >>> count
> >> on
> >>> them to either resolve the bolt issue, or sell me a new battery 
> >>> that will fit as well as the old one. They may even have battery 
> >>> carrying straps
> >> and
> >>> terminal caps in stock!
> >>>
> >>> By the way, while my starter battery was removed from the car, I
> >> discovered
> >>> that my stereo, dome light, and fluorescent light all worked. I 
> >>> don't
> >> know
> >>> if that means that I already have this kind of battery relay 
> >>> system <
> >> http://www.gowesty.com/ec_view_details.php?id=2418&category_id=&cat
> >> eg
> >> ory_parent_id=
> >>> installed.  Tomorrow I will take a look at the aux battery to see 
> >>> if I
> >> can
> >>> figure it out. I do know that there is a 12-volt receptacle 
> >>> attached to
> >> the
> >>> aux battery, and I have used it many times.
> >>>
> >>> An up date will follow!
> >>> Patti
> >>> 90 Westy Automatic
> >>> Los Angeles
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> *♪♫**♥**♫♪♪♫**♥**♫♪♪♫**♥**♫♪♪♫**♥**♫♪*
> >>> If it's not on my Smart Phone, it doesn't exist...
> >>> ●▬▬▬▬▬▬ஜ۩۞۩ஜ▬▬♥▬▬▬ஜ۩۞۩ஜ▬▬▬▬▬●
> >> --
> >> David McNeely
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >

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David McNeely