

| Subject: | Re: Electric Power Steering |
| From: | KIM BRENNAN |
| Date: | Fri, 24 Jul 2015 22:24:44 -0400 |
At the 360 volts. That is, of course on full AC. On Eco setting it draws considerably less. > On Jul 24, 2015, at 8:23 PM, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote: > > Is that 30 amps at 12 volts (360 watts) or 30 amps at up to the 360 volts > (10,800 watts) available for the drive controllers? The later would be good > for an awful lot of cooling. > > Dennis > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of > kimbrennan@mac.com > Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 7:46 PM > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM > Subject: Re: Electric Power Steering > > Chevy Volt AC draws 30 amps. Got that from the mechanic at the dealer. > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Jul 23, 2015, at 9:52 PM, James <jk_eaton@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote: >> >> I too am intrigued by the idea of running the AC with an electrically > driven compressor. Dennis's note about the Vanagon AC compressor needing > two or three horsepower to run shows how far AC has come - 10,000 BTU home > units (which I expect are close to what the Vanagon unit is) now have > compressors that draw only 600 watts, or less than one horsepower - about 50 > amps. It would be interesting to know how many watts the heat pump (AC and > heat) in the Prius uses - though it's cooling a smaller volume than a > Vanagon. >> >> James >> Ottawa, ON >> >>> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 19:38:14 -0400 >>> From: d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM >>> Subject: Re: Electric Power Steering >>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM >>> >>> Hydraulic power steering has a continuous parasitic load even when not > loaded. The need for p0wer steering assist is intermittent so going to an > electric system makes a lot of sense. Electric water pumps are not just used > to reduce engine load. A water pump has a limited range where it is > efficient. Designed to pump at low speeds it will just become a mixer at > higher speeds. Generally they spin at close to 1.5 to 2 times engine speed. > What works at idle will not works as well at 16,000 rpm. Also for pump > losses doubling the speed takes 4 times the power. Turn a pump fast enough > and push enough water and you can actually add heat to the water. This is > how many low end hot tubs heat the water, just pump it, no elements needed. > As for an electric compressor this too is now common especially in electric > and hybrid vehicles. For the Vanagon the compressor can probably take around > 2 to 3 hp. At 746 watts/HP that is 2,236 watts. At 12 volts that 186.5 amps. > Add the inefficiencies of using an alternator, (that fan removes a lot of > heat) and you may need 4 to 5 hp to make the 3 the compressor is using. Add > the fans and the vehicles other electrical requirements and you need a 250 > to 300 amp alternator. >>> >>> Just some thoughts, >>> Dennis >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf > Of Todd Last >>> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 6:57 PM >>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM >>> Subject: Re: Electric Power Steering >>> >>> The new Mini Coopers have electric power steering. (They are often cited > for noise and require a fan to keep the motor from overheating.) Racers > have used electric water pump drives to squeeze out the last ounce of > horsepower from their engines. So why not electrically drive the water pump > and power steering ? Just think, you could add a speed control for the water > pump - have it pump based on the water temperature, not the engine RPM. The > equation to figure out is if it costs more in drag on the alternator to > generate the power needed to run the electric motor than you gain by not > turning the pump with the fanbelt. That would make for an interesting > experiment. Perhaps it would be worth running the A/C compressor on an > electric motor drive.... >>> >>> Todd >>> '88 Westy >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> From: "Alistair Bell" <albell@SHAW.CA> >>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM >>> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 11:58:12 AM >>> Subject: Re: Electric Power Steering >>> >>> Yes, the UK guys have been doing it (Germans too). >>> >>> What I liked about the one I saw was how inexpensive it seemed to be. >>> >>> Alistair >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Jul 23, 2015, at 10:16 AM, Neil N <musomuso@GMAIL.COM> wrote: >>>> >>>> http://www.ultimate-engineering.co.uk/powersteering.html >>>> >>>> and.... >>>> >>>> > http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=7150246&highlight=nsk+japan > +famous+bearing+eps+manufactured++corsa++late+2000#7150246 >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Neil n >>>> >>>> Blog: Vanagons, Westfalia, general <http://tubaneil.blogspot.ca> >>>> >>>> 1988 Westy Images <https://picasaweb.google.com/musomuso/New1988Westy> >>>> >>>> 1981 Westfalia "Jaco" Images, technical > <http://tubaneil.googlepages.com/> >>>> >>>> Vanagon-Bus VAG Gas Engine Swap Group <http://tinyurl.com/khalbay>
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