Primarily Bosch coil part # 00061 - silver with green label.,  Not sure
about the Beck Arnsley.

BT

On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 3:43 PM, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> The Bosch aftermarket wires tend to have bad ends. They also do not have
> the resistor ends at the distributor cap. You should test them and actually
> measure the resistance of the connector. If also using any type of resistor
> spark plug the lack of the distributor end resistor won't matter. While you
> mentioned coil brands, what part number? The coil for this application is
> specific. The wrong coil will fail.  The wrong coil can also ruin the ECU.
>
> Dennis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf
> Of Bruce Todd
> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 9:37 PM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: Coil-itis
>
> Thanks Larry for your input and diagnosis -  the plugs have always looked
> normal to me when observed - no deposits or defects and fairly recently
> replaced approx 8.5 K km ago ...I will recheck them however and see what
> they look like for clues.
>
> Plug wires are Bosch and were replaced 20 K km ago (3 years ago) - I can
> check those as well however they appear to be in good shape and not overly
> old.
>
> Bruce
>
> On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 6:08 AM, Larry Alofs <lalofs@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Bruce,
> >   Since your resistance measurements show a fault on the secondary
> > (high
> > voltage) side of the coil, this would indicate a problem in the high
> > voltage wires.  A few posts back Dennis suggested that bad plug wires
> > could harm a coil.  Have these been tested and/or replaced?  How do
> > the plugs look?
> >
> > Larry A.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 7:56 PM, Bruce Todd <beeceetee@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> To be honest - I disagree with the moving and jostling of parts
> >> having the effect of repairing the coil - as opposed to installing a
> >> new coil which in the short term and temporarily (?) has solved the
> >> problem.  The resistance readings yesterday confirm the coil does not
> >> work. How it got to that state is the question.  Wiring, grounds,
> >> current, hall senders, etc could all be part of the equation as well
> >> as crappy workmanship...and certainly the current remedy (a new coil)
> >> may not be the long term answer as there quite possibly is a wiring
> >> conspiracy going on somewhere in my van - which I need to sort out
> >> and as well as thankful for the responses I have received so far!
> >>
> >> By reinstalling the old coil and finding that the engine would not
> >> start tells me that the wiring either had to be jostled back into a
> >> state of ill repair and then be re-jostled back into a state of
> >> repair when the new coil was again hooked up - basically 5 minutes
> >> later.
> >>
> >> Coil readings between terminal 1 & 15 = 0.6 ohms which is normal.
> >> Readings
> >> between terminal 4 and 15 read infinity (should be 2.4 to 3.5 k-ohm).
> >>
> >> Having a 29 year old van and a 104 year old house - I'm planning to
> >> run knob and tube to my coil :-)
> >>
> >> BT
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 5:30 AM, James <jk_eaton@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > *Yesterday after installing the new coil the van> fired up right
> >> away...a
> >> > bad ground or a wiring issue would not permit that> to
> >> > happen.*That's a dangerous assumption on an old vehicle - if the
> >> > problem is a break or weakness inside a connector, crimp, or the
> >> > wiring itself (often caused
> >> by
> >> > heat, and all possible in old vehicles), then the mere act of
> >> uninstalling
> >> > and re-installing the coil could well jostle the parts back into
> >> alignment
> >> > so the engine will start and run until the heat or vibration causes
> >> > the ground or wiring problem to re-occur.
> >> >
> >> > Sometimes, new wiring and connections are the only answer.  I have
> >> > a 50 year old house and a 24 year old Westfalia;  in both cases,
> >> > the
> >> replacement
> >> > of failing wiring and connectors has begun.
> >> >
> >> > James
> >> > Ottawa, ON
> >> >
> >> > > Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2015 17:50:54 -0700
> >> > > From: beeceetee@GMAIL.COM
> >> > > Subject: Re: Coil-itis
> >> > > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > > Yeah Jack that is what makes me wonder - (old coil - no
> >> > > problems)...or whether the new coils are not up to par. Good
> >> > > advice on the ground
> >> wires
> >> > > which I have done some work with over the years...but i don't
> >> > > think
> >> bad
> >> > > grounds would kill a coil.
> >> >
> >> > *Yesterday after installing the new coil the van> fired up right
> >> away...a
> >> > bad ground or a wiring issue would not permit that> to happen.*
> >>
> >> > >
> >> > > I need to have an autopsy completed on the coil - not sure
> >> > > whether I
> >> > could
> >> > > trust Bosch to do that and provide honest feedback.
> >> > >
> >> > > BT
> >> > >
> >> > > On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 5:29 PM, Jack Reynaert
> >> > > <jack007@comcast.net>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > Bruce,
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > One final thing… make sure you have a real solid ground too.
> >> (engine to
> >> > > > chasse, battery to box/chasse, starter etc.) We grinded all the
> >> contact
> >> > > > points (used Dielectric Grease), and replaced ground straps,
> >> > > > with
> >> top
> >> > > > quality everywhere. (can’t be too careful).
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I just helped change out the motor on our friends 90 Westy,
> >> > > > with a
> >> Go
> >> > > > Westy 2.2. When we went to fire it the first time last week, no
> >> spark!
> >> > > > One of the coil wires connecting to the spade was bad.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > That’s what made me think of this possibility too.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > My 84 Westy has a 2.1l from a 91 Syncro in it, and the original
> >> > > > coil
> >> > from
> >> > > > that motor as well. The motor only has 50K original miles on
> >> > > > it, so
> >> I
> >> > > > think I’ll try to make sure I avoid the Brazilian factory
> >> > > > workers if
> >> > at all
> >> > > > possible J.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I was thinking of doing some PM and replacing my coil, simply
> >> > > > due to
> >> > age…
> >> > > > but now I’m not going to mess with a good thing.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Jack
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > *From:* Bruce Todd [mailto:beeceetee@gmail.com]
> >> > > > *Sent:* Sunday, August 16, 2015 8:22 PM
> >> > > > *To:* Jack Reynaert
> >> > > > *Subject:* Re: Coil-itis
> >> >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Hi Jack,
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Plug wires are tight and quite new. Spade connectors are
> >> > > > connected properly and are tight / clean surfaces on spades and
> >> > > > wire
> >> > connections. I
> >> > > > am not sure on the condition of the wires though and whether
> >> > > > they
> >> are
> >> > > > shorting - I can check those. My thoughts are this is unlikely
> >> given I
> >> > > > had my mechanic inspect the electrical system and coil
> >> > > > specifically
> >> > before
> >> > > > the trip - but I won't rule out the possibility.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Yes - what ever is happening is pooching the coil. Or the
> >> > > > Brazilian factory workers are working to rule.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > BT
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 4:06 PM, Jack Reynaert
> >> > > > <jack007@comcast.net
> >> >
> >> > > > wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Bruce,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Have you checked your wires connecting to the coil, to make
> >> > > > sure
> >> that
> >> > > > there are no nicks, or shorts or corrosion internally in the
> wires?
> >> > > > There are two spade connectors on the coil, both need to be
> >> connected
> >> > for
> >> > > > it to start, then of course your plug wires.
> >> > > > Sounds like more like another issue causing your "Coil-it is",
> >> > > > than defective coils.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > If all else fails, try a high fiber diet... and try to reduce
> >> > > > your
> >> > stress
> >> > > > :)
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Good luck!
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Jack
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com]
> >> > > > On
> >> > Behalf
> >> > > > Of Bruce Todd
> >> > > > Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2015 6:47 PM
> >> > > > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> >> > > > Subject: Coil-itis
> >> > > >
> >> > > > You may or may not read my travel post from yesterday - great
> >> > > > trip
> >> down
> >> > > > the Olympic Peninsula and halfway down Oregon coast. At the
> >> > > > heart of
> >> > the
> >> > > > matter was that my coil packed it in about 3 km from home. A
> >> > > > mixed blessing of sorts given the rush hour driving we
> >> > > > completed in
> >> Portland
> >> > on
> >> > > > the I-5, the number of large bridges we crossed, and some of
> >> > > > the
> >> remote
> >> > > > highways we traversed.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I have now replaced 4 coils since July 10 of 2012 = here are
> >> > > > the
> >> makes
> >> > of
> >> > > > coils, dates of purchase & install and odometer reading in (kms).
> >> > > >
> >> > > > July 10, 2012- Beck Arnley Coil (267,951) replaced the original
> >> > > > (?)
> >> > black
> >> > > > Bosch coil - I bought the van in the Summer of 2006 (228,394).
> >> > > > as a preventative measure.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Sept 28, 2012 - New Bosch coil (270,965) replaced Beck Arnley
> >> (failed)
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Feb 8, 2014 - Replaced new Bosch Coil with spare (original
> >> > > > coil)
> >> > (279,376)
> >> > > > (new Bosch coil failed)
> >> > > >
> >> > > > October 22, 2014 - Replaced spare coil with 2nd New Bosch coil
> >> > (283,980)
> >> > > > (Mechanic accidentally kept spare coil which I have not yet got
> >> back)
> >> > > >
> >> > > > August 15, 2015 - Replaced 2nd Bosch coil with 3rd Bosch coil
> >> > (289,578).
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I just sent off an email to Bosch Canada given that this could
> >> > > > be
> >> some
> >> > > > poor workmanship or perhaps some bad luck on my part. What
> >> > mechanically or
> >> > > > more specifically electronically do people think could be
> >> > > > possibly contributing to this issue.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > One last thing - I did post last October on the heat I noticed
> >> > > > from
> >> the
> >> > > > 2nd Bosch coil - ? Subject line: Coil Boil
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Thanks all.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Bruce Todd
> >> > > >
> >> > > > 86 Westy Syncro
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
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