No worries dave. I wasn't targeting u specifically. Merely a writer making up words as i go along n tying them into ur piece. I knew i was in trouble when i brought up sex, but couldn't help myself. I've a sick sense of humor, inspired by the smallest of things. Like cadillac escolades. (I've a whole philosophy on car classes n their owners, completely devoid of consideration for rule exceptions. Shame on me.) Thou i am happy to hear ur good wife reels u in a tad. Where would we be w/o them. Mad max comes to mind.

Still, what about my question? I've a 1.9. If we took an equivalent auto trans engine in age, power (n leaks), n ran them side by side, how much savings in gas would there actually be? Would it be about as much as driving 10 miles to save 50 cents on a can of beans? I need to know.

In joy my man,�

eve

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From:"mcneely4@cox.net" <mcneely4@cox.net>
Date:Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 5:06 PM
Subject:Re: Automatic vs Manual trans. ( Friday )

---- eve Appleton <appleton_eve@YAHOO.COM> wrote: 
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i never touched an auto transmission until the age of 35 when i came to America. It's my personal opinion, learning to drive stick >should be manditory to getting a license. (That n parallel parking.) Auto is just too easy and convenience corrupts the mind.

Though I agree with you, concerning both the stick shift and the parallel parking, since both are going the way of the dodo, our opinions aren't worth much.

>Taught to drive by fighter pilots n precision race car drivers, as hyperdriving prius' wizcock thru rush hour traffic, lane changing with just inches to spare; proving displaced sense of self importance and questionable understanding of the Prius purpose (to wit, both slam to a snail's pace two car links ahead), i think of my teachers' words, "U won't find a race car driver speeding in traffic. We >leave that to the race track."�

I'm not sure what this is all about.� Hypermiling has nothing to do with the racing in traffic behavior of juveniles and idiots, and you'll note that I explicitly stated that I do it only in low traffic situations on open highways.� One simply speeds up going downhill (traffic and other conditions allowing) and lets the vehicle slow as it climbs to avoid dropping gear and raising rpms.� I will admit that if I think I can safely do so and no patrolmen are evident, I might slip over the speed limit when doing so, but my usual open highway driving is at 60 mph when not hypermiling, and when doing so, it doesn't usually get a bunch over that.

>Manual driving for the truly initiated is better then sex. (And often lasts longer.)�

Well, to each his (or her) own, or as some oldies say, "Whatever floats your boat."� For me, driving is a means to an end (to get where I'm going).� I just try to do so safely and efficiently.

>Purpose aside, I'm so sorry to hear u've been forced to surrender ur manhood to the world of automaton, though commendable retrieval is attempted �thru exercises of auto manipulation futility. We learn from everything so all is not lost. Still, u haven't >convinced me. Here's to many happy returns.

My manhood is fully intact and resides in my person, not my automobile.

Thanks, mcneely

>In joy,

>eve

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From:"Dave Mcneely" <mcneely4@COX.NET>
Date:Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 9:47 AM
Subject:Re: Automatic vs Manual trans. ( Friday )

The only two automatic transmissions I've had extensive experience with are:

1.� The 1965 Ford Falcon my wife had when we married.� I hated it, having been used to manual transmissions.� It jerked and lurched when it changed gears, and would not downshift on a hill without stomping on the accelerator, then I would have to back off, resulting in the vehicle lurching forwarding then seeming to bog down again as it inappropriately� upshifted.� I never learned to get it to shift smoothly and maintain speed in that circumstance.

2.� My current Toyota Prius, with continuously variable transmission and dual electric/internal combustion power.� It is extremely smooth, but of course is no "performance" vehicle.� The only problem with the transmission I have experienced is that the constant speed device caused it to downshift on hills to a very low gear ratio.� That also caused over consumption of fuel.� Once I learned to drive without that, I found I could maintain speed on hills without it, and without the transmission downshifting so far.� I started getting much better highway gas mileage then.� Of course, sometimes I "hypermile" with the Prius, if I am alone and there is little traffic.� I don't do it with my wife in the car because it annoys her.� I can get 65 mpg highway if I can hypermile for most of a 250 mile trip.� That is measured by miles driven and fuel used, not the digital readout on the dash.

David McNeely

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