Toyota is the largest car company in the world:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/andreamurphy/2015/05/06/2015-global-2000-the-worlds-biggest-auto-companies/

Do you really think that company size is a predictor of corporate ethics?  Would you apply the same standard to banks or insurance companies or oil companies?

mcneely

---- Roger Whittaker <rogerwhitt1@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> Dear Vanagonitered
>
> It is my opinion this whole thing is politically motivated - either VW was
> going to locate in Virginia or some other state and the deal went awry or
> they decided to pull out of virginia or some other state and a disgruntled
> some one or other got his buddy to fund the research and off to the races
> to get a result -
> Next call EPA
> The chances that the largest car company in the world conspired to cheat
> the EPA so they could sell vehicles in USA -
> Vanagon with out a sink and stove in Canada is called a station wagon and
> it actually has something to do with chickens and a poultry import export
> trade war
> Regards
>
> On Friday, September 18, 2015, Jon VO <jondvo@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I would be very surprised if VW is doing exactly what the EPA claims. I
> > suspect there are complications in the engine management software that
> > can give the impression of changes when under test. The state run
> > emissions tests are pretty trivial in most states, the Colorado test is
> > basically exhaust gas opacity which all the diesels I have had will pass
> > easily.  This issue must refer to the qualification tests that the
> > vehicles go through.
> > That said, I do not plan on getting the update, but bringing the car
> > into the dealer for service, one may have no choice. I've got two Jetta
> > TDI wagons, a 2003, and 2014. The 2014 exhaust is MUCH cleaner, albeit
> > don't know about NOx. The fuel mileage on the 2003 varies from 43 to 50,
> > on the 2014, 36-42, pretty much what is claimed.
> > Jon
> >
> > On 9/18/2015 8:41 PM, Jason wrote:
> >
> >> Here's my take.
> >>
> >> These cars have been getting better than EPA published mileage.   If you
> >> turn the emissions systems on full time (assuming they are not....) your
> >> mileage will suffer.  The EGR will be more active, the DPF will have to
> >> regen more often (burning more fuel so it doesn't plug up....), and all of
> >> the emission related components will plug up/fail sooner.  I am all for
> >> less polluting vehicles, but I think the extra emissions these vehicles
> >> are
> >> potentially pumping out is nothing compared to the coal fired power
> >> stations in 3rd world countries or ocean liners circumventing the earth.
> >> VW
> >> must have had issues making mileage and meeting emissions if they really
> >> did what was alleged.   Europe has less strict NoX requirements I believe,
> >> making it tougher for VW to meet fleet requirements in North America with
> >> these engines.  2016 TDI's are currently being held at the port....Guess
> >> now we know why!
> >>
> >> I'll just shut up now and go fill my airplane with leaded avgas and fly it
> >> over the EPA office.  :)
> >>
> >> Jason
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 9:45 PM, Mike Miller <mwmiller6@att.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> I know a lot of us have the vehicles in question.
> >>>
> >>> Question to owners: Are you planning to go in for the recall?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --------------------------------------------
> >>> On Fri, 9/18/15, Stuart MacMillan <stuartmacm@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>   Subject: VW gets busted (NVC)
> >>>   To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> >>>   Date: Friday, September 18, 2015, 6:37 PM
> >>>
> >>>   Wow, what were they thinking? I
> >>>   wonder how many owners will go in for the recall
> >>>   though:  http://nyti.ms/1MvDn0V
> >>>
> >>>
>
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