Agreed. 

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> On Sep 28, 2015, at 2:09 PM, george jannini <georgejoann@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> 
>   Some of you may feel as if VW is getting the shaft, (leave me out) but
> there are a whole lot more owners of 2009-2015 diesels who know that they
> certainly have, and they care, and count, as consumers, a lot more than you
> do.
> 
> Geo/ATL
> '89 Westy ABA
> '67 Kombi, 1600DP
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Stuart MacMillan <stuartmacm@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> It's not a "mistake," that's the issue. This is the largest "corporate
>> fraud with criminal intent" ever committed, according to the Financial
>> Times, which has a good piece comparing this to Enron.  It's behind a
>> paywall, but you should be able to get to it by Googling  "Seven reasons
>> Volkswagen is worse than Enron" and clicking on the link that comes up.
>> It's worth reading.
>> 
>> There is a special relationship between local governments in Germany and
>> VW because they own special stock that gives them control over the company,
>> and VW's relationship with governments is extraordinary.  Business Week has
>> a good article on this (free):
>> http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-09-24/did-privilege-enable-volkswagen-s-diesel-deception-
>> 
>> With all the lawsuits and potential buy-backs this could bring down the
>> company.
>> 
>> Stuart
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf
>> Of Dan N
>> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 11:10 AM
>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>> Subject: Re: NVC Re: VW, honour, and culture
>> 
>> according to what I read so far... all car manufacturers cheat one way or
>> another - it happened in the past and going on now - they will find more...
>> 
>> the only thing I don't understand is why VW mistake is a BIG issue now..
>> 
>> looks like they dig in a trash bin and pull out a BIG piece of trash.. but
>> trash is trash big or small...  it's still trash... right?
>>