If you want to cut down on pollution, ride your bike. The TDI's are no
worse, and emit less than MANY gas cars, even with the NoX controls
disabled. The issue I have is VW actively deceived multiple people and
institutions.  The cost of that is high.
Jon

On 9/29/2015 5:58 PM, SDF ( aka ;jim lahey' - Scott ) wrote:
> why would anyone thing VW is getting the shaft ?
>
> they CHEATED ..big time, and they got caught .
> If anything they deserve some sympathy maybe.
>
> now if it reduces the number of those polluting things on the road ..I'm
> for that !
> I was encouraged to see that Paris, France may outlaw diesel cars in the
> city due to really bad pollution, much of it caused by so many diesel
> cars.
>
> I am down to one diesel Vanagon ..good year and rare version. And drove
> one for years and years.
> and..
> it's nice to see the health downsides of diesel vehicles mentioned
> lately.  .
>
> I think driving one is a selfish thing to do also.
> Save money on your wallet, contribute to destruction of the climate and
> planet.
> that's who's getting the shaft...all the planet-dwellers that don't
> drive diesel vehicles, by those that do.
>
> I've been saying this a long time..about the pollution, noise, smell and
> health affects.
>
> And I'd sure make them so they can't idle more than say 4 minutes ..
> VW car owners don't seem to leave their diesels running very much ..
> but other driver's do ..especially trucks ..most unhealthful and
> annoying !
>
> and now we find out that VW tdi's emissions are up to 40 times the
> allowed amounts when driving down the road.
>
> and right now at the moment you can't even buy a new one !  Yay.
>
> I don't see it as just a jab at VW ..
> but more at so much diesel use for transportation ..
>
> and in Europe they are paying a big air-quality price in some places,
> for all their diesel cars.
> Maybe this VW Mess will help make things better.
> So ...glad it happened.  Might really help ..
> in the bigger picture ..
> which is the only picture to look at if we care about quality of life
> and any future.
>
> On 9/28/2015 9:09 AM, george jannini wrote:
>>     Some of you may feel as if VW is getting the shaft, (leave me
>> out) but
>> there are a whole lot more owners of 2009-2015 diesels who know that
>> they
>> certainly have, and they care, and count, as consumers, a lot more
>> than you
>> do.
>>
>> Geo/ATL
>> '89 Westy ABA
>> '67 Kombi, 1600DP
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Stuart MacMillan <stuartmacm@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It's not a "mistake," that's the issue. This is the largest "corporate
>>> fraud with criminal intent" ever committed, according to the Financial
>>> Times, which has a good piece comparing this to Enron.  It's behind a
>>> paywall, but you should be able to get to it by Googling "Seven reasons
>>> Volkswagen is worse than Enron" and clicking on the link that comes up.
>>> It's worth reading.
>>>
>>> There is a special relationship between local governments in Germany
>>> and
>>> VW because they own special stock that gives them control over the
>>> company,
>>> and VW's relationship with governments is extraordinary. Business
>>> Week has
>>> a good article on this (free):
>>> http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-09-24/did-privilege-enable-volkswagen-s-diesel-deception-
>>>
>>>
>>> With all the lawsuits and potential buy-backs this could bring down the
>>> company.
>>>
>>> Stuart
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Dan N
>>> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 11:10 AM
>>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>> Subject: Re: NVC Re: VW, honour, and culture
>>>
>>> according to what I read so far... all car manufacturers cheat one
>>> way or
>>> another - it happened in the past and going on now - they will find
>>> more...
>>>
>>> the only thing I don't understand is why VW mistake is a BIG issue
>>> now..
>>>
>>> looks like they dig in a trash bin and pull out a BIG piece of
>>> trash.. but
>>> trash is trash big or small...  it's still trash... right?
>>>