

| Subject: | Re: Need Help diagnosing a Non-starting '86 Vanagon |
| From: | Angus Gordon |
| Date: | Tue, 29 Sep 2015 07:42:06 -0700 |
D23 is the best choice to move that power to. It's an unused larger connector. You will have to find a connector for that larger pin. As a temporary measure you may be able to clean up the D15 connection. Another option is moving it to G2 which is a spade connector, however that's a fused power source so check to see what other loads are on it (varies by year etc). Angus > On Sep 28, 2015, at 10:12 PM, Cary Chiang <ccchiang1@GMAIL.COM> wrote: > > Many thanks to all who offered their help and advice. I've been off the > list for many years, and was unaware of that nifty test harness. I > couldn't build one on short notice however, since all the Radio Shacks > around here closed after the bankruptcy, and I didn't have the diodes > handy. The other info was very helpful, also. > I spent some time with the van yesterday with a multi-meter, and found 12 > volts at the alternator terminal, but none at the terminal inside the black > box, or at the coil terminal with the key on. I ran a 12 volt jumper wire > to the black box terminal, heard the fuel pump energize, and the engine > started right up. After shutting off the engine and disconnecting the > jumper wire (but with key still in "on" position), I heard the ECU / fuel > pump relays clicking continuously. I found 9-10 volts at the coil > terminal, where previously there was none. It seems that I may have a bad > connection of the D15(?) wire that some of you mentioned? I ran out of > time to check for voltage / corrosion of that wire at the fuse block, but > will check for it next time. In reading the thread on the wiring bypass > harness, I saw mention of a "D15 carbon / corrosion problem", and > installing a relay to take the load off of that wire. Rather than install > a relay, is it possible to attach the D15 wire to another "key-on 12 volt" > source on the back of the fuse block instead? > > > On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 5:16 PM, SDF ( aka ;jim lahey' - Scott ) < > scottdaniel@turbovans.com> wrote: > >> fwiw .. >> I define 'overheating' as inability to sustain running ..coolant >> dissapears, boils over, pukes out ...or is consumed in the engine ...in >> any case ...it's obviously badly and actually overheating. >> >> The other condiition is 'running hot' .. >> that it may read say 60 % of the gauge, but can keep going like that a >> long time. >> >> which is it ? >> >> one thing to watch for ... >> exhaust gases get into the coolant area of the engine ..which >> immediately displaces the coolant .. >> and water pump can't pump exhaust or air of course... >> What it looks like is .. >> very hot engine, very cold radiator ...as if the main pipes are blocked >> ...but they are not of course. >> >> if you get that one , most likely one or both head gaskets or heads are >> allowing exhaust into the coolant portion of the engine. >> Heads have to come off. >> it's quite common actually. And there aren't external leaks or anything. >> >> for sure you should make sure it has a good thermostat. >> scott >> >> >>> On 9/25/2015 11:27 AM, OlRivrRat wrote: >>> >>> If the BlkWire that Marc spoke of has 12v then check that the 2 >>> relays in the BlkBox above the >>> >>> Coil are Switching ~ Have an assist' turn the Igni'Key while you ListenTo >>> or Touch those relays ~ >>> >>> 1 Powers the ECU & the other Powers the FuelPump ~ They are Cheap ~ All >>> Vanagons should have >>> >>> a Spare 1 or 2 of those OnBoard ~ >>> >>> Also in regards to BadBatt' ~ I have had a Batt' with a >>> ShortedCell so it still had the Ability to >>> >>> Crank the Starter QuiteNicely but there was not EnoughJuice to make the >>> ECU Happy ~ >>> >>> >>> ORR ~ DeanB >>> >>> >>> On 25 Sep , 2015, at 7:20 AM, Marc Perdue wrote: >>> >>> If the van had alternator problems, i.e., the alternator died and the >>>> van ran till the battery ran out of juice, it could have killed the >>>> battery. Why not start at the beginning and see if the battery's good? >>>> >>>> Marc >>>> >>>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 11:33 PM, vw_van_fan_Mark <madvws@cox.net> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> None of the grounds up under the dash have anything to do with whether >>>>> the van runs or not. There is a key-on power black wire that goes from >>>>> the dash area back to the engine compartment and that wire plays a >>>>> critical role. On most vans the black wire goes to the ignition coil to >>>>> power it and to turn on the ECU power relay as well as enable the fuel >>>>> pump relay. So check for 12 volt power at the coil when key is on. Since >>>>> it is an 86 the exact wiring path can vary. But since this may have >>>>> started with work done on the alternator it would be wise to check for >>>>> constant power on that stud in the engine wiring box. When you get back >>>>> to the van with a meter I'd be willing to help you check things out. >>>>> >>>>> There is a wiring tool you build to bypass a lot of the known failure >>>>> areas that can keep a van from starting. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=349429&highlight=wiring+bypass >>>>> >>>>> Mark >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Cary Chiang wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I'm trying to help a first-time vanagon owner get his van running. >>>>>> It's an '86, with 2.1L and manual trans. I was told that the van was >>>>>> being >>>>>> driven almost daily, had some sort of alternator problem, and then >>>>>> failed >>>>>> to start one day. A mechanic diagnosed that the spark plugs weren't >>>>>> firing, but a lack of money prevented any further work. I noticed that >>>>>> the >>>>>> ignition switch was functioning poorly, and temporarily swapped in a >>>>>> good >>>>>> used one. Next, I noticed that the fuel pump wasn't energizing when >>>>>> the >>>>>> ignition key was turned to the accessory position. I ran power >>>>>> directly >>>>>> to >>>>>> the fuel pump to get it running, but the engine still won't start (I'm >>>>>> assuming because of no spark from the plugs). I'm assuming that there >>>>>> is an electrical issue that is affecting both the fuel pump and the >>>>>> ignition system. >>>>>> I've cleaned up the two >>>>>> multi-pronged ground connections above the fuse block, and replaced the >>>>>> ECU, but am running out of easy ideas. I plan to go back with a >>>>>> multi-meter, and check for voltage at the fuse block and at the >>>>>> terminal >>>>>> in >>>>>> the engine compartment black box. Hopefully I will have access to a >>>>>> Bentley also, but my schematic-reading and Vanagon diagnosing skills >>>>>> are >>>>>> pretty rusty. Any idieas and suggestions as to additional components, >>>>>> grounds, or >>>>>> voltages that I should check would be appreciated. Thanks in advance! >>>>>> >>>>>>
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