The rest of North America is not "hostage to California standards."  Air pollution due to vehicular emissions is a problem in many parts of the U.S. outside of California, places like Denver, Dallas, Houston, all up and down the East Coast.  Many times when I approach a major city, whether by air or by road, I can see that the air is brown.  That does not have to be a city in California.

What the country is hostage to is the automobile and fossil fuel lobbies that have prevented us from having better standards than we do.

mcneely

---- Roger Whittaker <rogerwhitt1@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> I have a buddy who not only believes this argument - he goes further to
> state that good for VW to have figured it out -
> I am of a mind to support that idea as well - not the illegal part but the
> part that says that the rest of North America should not be held hostage to
> California standards of compliance -
> Which make no sense in the real world where you need power to get up a hill
> and breaking energy to stop going down
> Regards
> On Thursday, October 1, 2015, James <jk_eaton@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The opposite argument to this is that they did it for the faithful VW
> > loving diesel owner.
> > Let me explain this alternate argument.
> >
> > If you have a VW diesel, you probably value its fuel economy and power
> > most - not many people outside of the LA and Frankfurt 'smog basins' or the
> > EPA care that much about NOx.  By running with this 'trick' software, VW
> > gave owners the best of both worlds - a car that will pass emissions tests
> > as required by governments, AND a car that gets fabulous fuel economy and
> > great power in real-world driving.
> >
> > I know very few VW diesel owners who boast about their car's low pollution
> > numbers.  I know a lot of VW diesel owners who boast about their car's
> > power and exceptional fuel economy - about how they get even better fuel
> > mileage than the EPA/Transport Canada estimates.
> >
> > In that sense, VW was just giving its faithful diesel owners EXACTLY what
> > they wanted.
> >
> > Pity that what VW diesel drivers wanted was technically impossible, and
> > the VW solution to give it to them was thus illegal.
> >
> >
> > James
> > Ottawa, ON
> >
> > > Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 13:31:43 -1000
> > > From: scottdaniel@TURBOVANS.COM <javascript:;>
> > > Subject: Re: NVC Re: VW, honour, and culture
> > > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM <javascript:;>
> > >
> > > it's a big deal because....
> > >
> >
> > >
> > > 3. IT WAS INTENTIONAL DECEPTION.
> > >    they tricked everyone ..apparently intentionally ...the faithful
> > > VW-loving owner...
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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