"almost true"...  is that like "almost pregnant"???   ;-)

I guess I'm a jaded VW mechanic.  Back when I was a lad working at a VW shop in Leucadia (Harvey's Automotive), I saw way too many starter relay hack jobs that could've been avoided with a $1 starter bushing.  Always considered it a lazy, hack-job work around.

Do it once, do it right...

Cheers, 

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of vw_van_fan_Mark
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 4:03 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: Vanagon Starter relay kit

That is almost true. But if you don't have all of those good things adding a simple starter relay can sometimes get you down the road, sometimes for years and years.

Mark

Jeff Schwaia wrote:
> I find this thread interesting.  I've worked on 100's of Vanagons over the years and have never needed, or even contemplated installing a starter relay.
>
>   - Got good grounds?
>   - Got a good ignition switch?
>   - Got a good starter with a good starter bushing?
>
> Then you don't need no stinkin start relay...
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jeff
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On 
> Behalf Of vw_van_fan_Mark
> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 1:13 PM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: Vanagon Starter relay kit
>
> That Samba beetle thread relay wiring isn't quite the way I would do it on a Vanagon.
>
> The starter motor has a large direct connection to the battery so that is where to get "battery" power on the red wire to relay pin #30.
>
> The original key switch to starter wire is already a female 1/4" spade end so just plug that on to relay pin 86.
>
> Relay pin #85 is the ground for the relay coil so a short wire from relay pin #85 with the other end screwed to van metal nearby. Use a relay with a mounting tab built in and then you can use that mounting screw as the ground screw for the end of this short wire.
>
> That leaves running a wire from relay pin #87 to the starter spade #50.
>
> I have tons of new relays and have made my own many times in the past but now if I have time to wait a few days I usually order these starter relay kits from list member Jay Brown. He makes really nice wiring setups for various Vanagon needs, including for the starter.
>
> https://sites.google.com/site/vanagonheadlightrelays/hard-start-relays
> /hard-start-relay
>
> Mark
>
> T Collins wrote:
>> Dan,
>>
>> Thank you for that I have all I need to make this at home. I was 
>> actually able to find this to on The Samba.
>>
>> http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=421220
>>
>> Hope this helps others,
>>
>> T.
>>
>>
>