The badge-engineered Saab 9-2 is actually a Subaru Impreza in drag. Nice vehicle but confusing in circumstances like this one.

Stephen

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> On Dec 30, 2015, at 9:12 PM, Rocket J Squirrel <camping.elliott@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> 
> After insulting my intelligence with some rather nasty comments, Chris
> "tencentlife" Corkin pointed out that "All Saab 900 and 9000 engines are
> 3/4"-16. A Saab 9-2X is neither a 900 nor a 9000," and that all the
> information I needed to get the right filter was in the instruction
> sheet for the oil cooler kit.
> 
> So what I guess what happened here is that the counterman at the FLAPS
> gave me the recommended filter for a 9-2X when I requested a filter for
> a 900/9000 and I've been driving around with the wrong size
> threaded-filter all along.
> 
> If anyone wants to see the instruction sheet I can forward the pdf to them.
> 
> --
> Jack "Rocket j Squirrel" Elliott
> 1984 Westfalia, auto trans,
> Bend, Ore.
> 
>> On 12/29/2015 02:43 PM, OlRivrRat wrote:
>> Appears as though the Bosch 3300 does fit some Saabs > 05-06 9-2X
>> that are Subaru powered & have a M20X1.5 Thread ~
>> 
>> 
>>> On 29 Dec , 2015, at 1:33 PM, Rocket J Squirrel wrote:
>>> 
>>> So the FLAPS counterman that originally said that the correct
>>> filter for a Saab 900 would be a Bosch 3300 was inaccurate? That
>>> might explain the problem. It was from that part number that I got
>>> the cross to the WIX filter which was blowed off.
>>> 
>>> -- Jack "Rocket j Squirrel" Elliott 1984 Westfalia, auto trans,
>>> Bend, Ore.
>>> 
>>>> On 12/29/2015 09:56 AM, OlRivrRat wrote:
>>>> According to the WIX LookUp the Correct Filter for a Saab 900
>>>> would be
>>>> 
>>>> a 51348XP which has 3/4-16 Threads ~
>>>> 
>>>> According to the Bosch LookUp the Correct Filter for a Saab 900
>>>> would be
>>>> 
>>>> a D3421 which has 3/4-16 Threads ~
>>>> 
>>>> According to The Bosch LookUp the Correct Filter for a Vanagon
>>>> 2.1L would
>>>> 
>>>> Also Be a D3421 ~
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 29 Dec , 2015, at 10:31 AM, Rocket J Squirrel wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Okay, Chris tencentlife sent me a fresh copy of the oil cooler
>>>>> kit installation instructions. For the filter, it says,
>>>>> 
>>>>> "The filter to fit any year Saab 900 or 9000 will fit and has
>>>>> the correct specs for the wbx."
>>>>> 
>>>>> It was the counterman at the local FLAPS who determined that
>>>>> the Bosch 3300 is what I'm looking for.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Right threads or no?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 12/28/2015 08:17 PM, Dennis Haynes wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So let's get back to your failure. You have an oil pressure
>>>>>> gauge. Do you use it?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I do. And I was aware that oil pressures were higher than
>>>>> normal with this summer oil in the engine.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> The most important time for using one is just after start up
>>>>>> and during warm up. As you drove off did you notice unusually
>>>>>> high oil pressure?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sure I did, but no more unusual than the morning temps I've
>>>>> been seeing this winter -- with that thick summer oil in the
>>>>> engine.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Is your gauge capable of reading abnormally high pressure or
>>>>>> does it only go to 70psi?  I choose the 150 psi gauges for a
>>>>>> reason.
>>>>> 
>>>>> It's a 150 psi gauge. I confess that I wasn't watching the oil
>>>>> pressure gauge when I pulled out onto the street, I was dealing
>>>>> with icy roads and oncoming traffic, which drew my attention.
>>>>> So I can't say what it said.
>>>>> 
>>>>> It's when I do things like this that I realize that the only
>>>>> reason I've managed to live to the age of 65 must have more to
>>>>> do with luck than brains.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- Jack "Rocket j Squirrel" Elliott 1984 Westfalia, auto
>>>>> trans, Bend, Ore.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 12/28/2015 08:17 PM, Dennis Haynes wrote:
>>>>>> 3/4-16 is the thread size you want.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sorry Dennis
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Vanagon Mailing List
>>>>>> [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Haynes
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 28, 2015 11:15 PM To:
>>>>>> vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM Subject: Re: Dodged a bullet --
>>>>>> blowed the oil filter right off Why, I'll tell you
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I had limited time before but I wanted to get that wrong oil
>>>>>> filter out there so all can stop wondering. How or why did I
>>>>>> go here? This is not the first time nor the first vehicle I
>>>>>> have seen this happen to. It is an error more common than one
>>>>>> would expect. There are a bunch of oil filter/engine
>>>>>> combinations that seem to work but under some conditions will
>>>>>> fail. So I looked up the two filter numbers you provided and
>>>>>> they both have the 20mm thread. You say this was recommended
>>>>>> to you. Is that in writing? Imagine that failure causing an
>>>>>> engine failure or worse an accident, fire, or environmental
>>>>>> concern. As for oil filter sandwich adapters they usually use
>>>>>> the same thread on both ends, the goal is to fit between the
>>>>>> engine and the filter using the same filter.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So let's get back to your failure. You have an oil pressure
>>>>>> gauge. Do you use it? The most important time for using one
>>>>>> is just after start up and during warm up. As you drove off
>>>>>> did you notice unusually high oil pressure? Is your gauge
>>>>>> capable of reading abnormally high pressure or does it only
>>>>>> go to 70psi?  I choose the 150 psi gauges for a reason.
>>>>>> Watching cold oil pressure is sometimes more important than
>>>>>> hot oil pressure, especially if a relief valve fails.  Here
>>>>>> is a weird one! Oil rises and water sinks to the bottom. So
>>>>>> if you have an engine with a lot of condensation in the
>>>>>> crankcase (it happens) in really cold weather the oil pump
>>>>>> inlet may be blocked with ice. No oil pressure! The old
>>>>>> beetle engines had the screen designed to pull down out of
>>>>>> the way for this in addition in case they were clogged with
>>>>>> dirt. I have seem more engine damage or other failures from
>>>>>> cold weather operation than you can imagine. I've seen broken
>>>>>> pump shafts, seals actually pushed out, spun bearings, etc.
>>>>>> And not just on Volkswagens! Keep in mind this is not full
>>>>>> time work for me. After the filter went lose you would have
>>>>>> also seen the pressure gauge fluctuate long before the total
>>>>>> oil loss. The oil light did its job. The later vans with the
>>>>>> dynamic oil pressure warning system may have even given an
>>>>>> earlier warning looking for a higher oil pressure above 2,000
>>>>>> rpm. The buzzer would also get your attention. This is why
>>>>>> manufacturers don't always give us gauges.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Now let's look at some engineering options. Since you have an
>>>>>> 84 you don't have any original oil cooler. The only reason
>>>>>> you need a short filter is to clear the exhaust. At some
>>>>>> point the exhaust has or will need to be replaced. Using the
>>>>>> engine pipes from the 2.1L will allow the normal oil filter.
>>>>>> The 2 engine pipes, collector, and J-pipe will mate to the
>>>>>> 1.9 catalyst and muffler. The GoWesty stainless pipes can be
>>>>>> a reasonable cost longer life option. I'm done with Dansk,
>>>>>> this is all I install now. Ultimately you can replace the
>>>>>> rear engine bracket and go 2.1L exhaust all the way. You
>>>>>> could also do an oil filter relocation. Replace the filter
>>>>>> with an adapter to hoses and mount the filter on a
>>>>>> stand-alone mount. Use an in line thermostat for the cooler.
>>>>>> This can allow an even larger filter.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Why think of filter size? Filters are designed to work in a
>>>>>> certain flow range. While most think a smaller filter is
>>>>>> adequate if there is not a problematic pressure drop they are
>>>>>> missing a major point. A smaller filter means the oil has to
>>>>>> pass through at a higher velocity. Filters stop some dirt on
>>>>>> the surface but also through the depth of the media. Faster
>>>>>> flow means more of the dirt can get pushed through. Look at
>>>>>> furnace or air conditioning filters and note the dirt on the
>>>>>> filtered side. Also, the smaller filter will have less
>>>>>> capacity for accumulation. Not a super issue for our engines
>>>>>> but something to consider.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dennis
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ----Original Message----- From: Vanagon Mailing List
>>>>>> [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of Rocket J
>>>>>> Squirrel Sent: Monday, December 28, 2015 9:41 PM To:
>>>>>> vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM Subject: Re: Dodged a bullet --
>>>>>> blowed the oil filter right off Why, I'll tell you
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Okay, so can someone point me to a website that provides
>>>>>> threading and dimensional specs for our kinds of filters? I
>>>>>> need a filter about the same diameter as the stock 1.9L
>>>>>> filter, about an inch or so shorter, to accomodate the
>>>>>> reduced space that the banjo fitting takes up, and has the
>>>>>> right threading -- whatever it is that I'm looking for.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It's been a long time since I installed the oil cooler kit. I
>>>>>> don't recall whether the fitting that goes between the engine
>>>>>> and the oil filter has its own male and female threaded bits,
>>>>>> and whether the sticky-out part that the filter mates with is
>>>>>> the same threading as what comes out of the engine. But I'm
>>>>>> pretty sure that tencentlife recommended the Bosch 3300 and
>>>>>> crosses.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Anyone got an email for tencentlife?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- Jack "Rocket j Squirrel" Elliott 1984 Westfalia, auto
>>>>>> trans, Bend, Ore.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 12/28/2015 06:22 PM, Dennis Haynes wrote:
>>>>>>> The reason the filter blew off the threads is because it is
>>>>>>> the wrong one. The vanagon and many VW's of that error used
>>>>>>> a 3/4" thread. This is common to many vehicles back then
>>>>>>> especially Ford and some Chrysler.  The filters you are
>>>>>>> using have a 20mm thread. Yes it almost fits but it is a
>>>>>>> very loose fit and the thread pitch is wrong. 20mm threads
>>>>>>> are common on many GM and some European vehicles. Now go
>>>>>>> get a filter at least with the correct thread.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Dennis
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Vanagon Mailing List
>>>>>>> [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of Rocket J
>>>>>>> Squirrel Sent: Monday, December 28, 2015 7:01 PM To:
>>>>>>> vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM Subject: Dodged a bullet --
>>>>>>> blowed the oil filter right off
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Okay, so it's my fault, but I think I lucked out.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> As temperatures drop down the freezing, and below, I change
>>>>>>> my engine oil to 10-40, a thinner grade. But this winter I
>>>>>>> got lazy. I admit it, I got lazy.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Well, one cold morning last week I started the van and
>>>>>>> trundled down the street to go downtown, and was about a
>>>>>>> 1/2 mile from home when I noticed that the idiot light for
>>>>>>> the oil pressure was lit. And the aftermarket oil pressure
>>>>>>> gauge I installed a few years ago was at zero. They don't
>>>>>>> share the same sender or anything so I knew it was
>>>>>>> serious.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I pulled off the main road and got out and looked behind
>>>>>>> the van and sure enough, a trail of oil behind me leading
>>>>>>> up to a small puddle under the engine.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Triple-A flatbedded the van to Gary's Ole Volks Home here
>>>>>>> in Bend, and after an hour he called me and said that the
>>>>>>> oil filter had plain blowed off.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So here's what happened: at these low temperatures, I
>>>>>>> reckon that the thicker summer oil was as thick as pine sap
>>>>>>> -- maybe amber -- resulting in very high oil pressure.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The oil filter was not the stock one that I use. I
>>>>>>> installed a tencentlife oil cooler kit a few years ago, and
>>>>>>> it uses a banjo fitting that goes between the filter and
>>>>>>> the engine for oil send and receive (thermostat in there,
>>>>>>> too). The stock filter is too long to fit and he recommends
>>>>>>> a Bosch 3300, which I have been using.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> But the last time I replaced the filter, when I switched
>>>>>>> from winter to summer oil, the auto parts store was out of
>>>>>>> stock on the Bosch, and they offered the Wix. I never heard
>>>>>>> of Wix, but the guy said it was a good brand, so hey.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Well, the mechanic was consternated by the shorter filter,
>>>>>>> said it was the wrong one, and that the threads looked like
>>>>>>> pipe threads. I picked up a new Bosch on my way over and
>>>>>>> took at look at the Wix, comparing it to the Bosch, and the
>>>>>>> threads in the Wix looked pretty poor.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So I think I lucked out here. That high oil pressure was
>>>>>>> gonna blow out something, I'm just glad that it was a $6
>>>>>>> oil filter. Otherwise, $75 for the work, nothing (other
>>>>>>> than subscription to Triple-A) for the tow. It could have
>>>>>>> been a lot worse.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Engine sounds fine, I hope no damage was done.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> And what's the lesson, kids? Don't skip maintenance. And
>>>>>>> distrust Wix filters.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -- Jack "Rocket j Squirrel" Elliott 1984 Westfalia, auto
>>>>>>> trans, Bend, Ore.
>>>>>>> 
>>>> 
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