

| Subject: | Re: Warming the oil in cold weather? Other options. |
| From: | Rocket J Squirrel |
| Date: | Tue, 5 Jan 2016 06:57:52 -0800 |
Hi Dean, Righty-o. The oil filter is made a bit more difficult to get to due to the oil cooler kit's hoses which are in the way a bit, so I can only get a grip on the can with one of them wraparound expand-o-matic strap wrenches, and can only turn it in bitty little increments at a time until it spins freely. Nevertheless, I will be a manly man and do what needs being done. I wish someone around here rented a nice warm well-lit garage space by the hour. Mmmm - hot buttered rum. -- Jack Elliott 1984 Westfalia, auto trans, Bend, Ore. Host and engineer, KPOV 88.9 FM On 01/04/2016 10:10 PM, OlRivrRat wrote: > RJS > > Certainly don't Envy Your needing to do anything under a Van' in the Conditions You have > > but Swapping an OilFilter on a Vanagon is PrettyMuch Usually A PieceOfCake ~ Just throw down > > an old piece of carpet or some cardboard or Both & GoForIt ~ Then go back in by the Fire with a > > Freshly Made HotButteredRum & Feel Good about Yourself for what You have done for your Van' ~ > > ORR ~ DeanB > > On 4 Jan , 2016, at 7:21 PM, Rocket J Squirrel wrote: > >> Thanks for that, Dennis. Its warming up a bit which changes the ice >> under the van to slush. Even them Dutch coveralls would not make getting >> under it comfortable. >> >> I should find a handy nearby supermarket parking lot to swap the filter >> to one with the correct threading. >> >> -- >> Jack Elliott >> 1984 Westfalia, auto trans, >> Bend, Ore. >> Host and engineer, KPOV 88.9 FM >> >> On 01/03/2016 08:24 PM, Dennis Haynes wrote: >>> For the fun of it I looked up your climate. >>> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bend,_Oregon >>> >>> I can see why that area is so popular for Vanagon campers. Nice mild summers >>> and the outdoor activities and scenery is obvious. >>> Looking at your winter temps there are only a few days that you go near or >>> below 0F and much of the winter is near freezing. I see no need for engine >>> pre heating. Especially with street parking and the use of long extension >>> cords I see this as something to avoid. I don't know how many miles you >>> drive/year but since you have an oil cooler and a pressure gauge you should >>> be able to run a 0w-40 or 5w-40 all year. If you really need more go for the >>> 5w-50 or you could go for semiannual oil changes using 0w-40 winter and >>> 15w-50 summer. >>> >>> Keep in mind that oil filter failure was due to using the wrong filter, not >>> an excess oil pressure problem. Don't go too crazy trying to fix a problem >>> that doesn't exist or worse creating other problems such as someone tripping >>> over that cord. >>> >>> Dennis >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of >>> Rocket J Squirrel >>> Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2016 10:57 PM >>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM >>> Subject: Re: Warming the oil in cold weather? Other options. >>> >>> Thanks for the writeup, Dennis. >>> >>> The idea of placing a heater or heat lamps under my van to keep the engine >>> warm is attractive in its simplicity, but my van is parked out on the >>> street, and I think it would look weird and draw attention during darkness. >>> >>> Seems like the next simplest and reasonably effective approach will be to >>> paste pad heaters the water jackets. >>> >>> It's around freezing (below and above) these days, and the van has ice under >>> it. I'd like to avoid climbing under it to measure how much clear area there >>> is on the undersides of the water jackets. perhaps if someone has a 1.9L >>> engine sitting in a nice warm place, I would be very appreciative to know >>> how big the clear flat areas are under the jackets so I can order pad >>> heaters for them. >>> >>> I reckon scrub the areas on the the water jackets, maybe with brake cleaner, >>> brush them to rough them up a bit, use thermally-conductive epoxy to affix >>> the pads? That seem like a reasonable approach? >>> >>> -- >>> Jack "Rocket j Squirrel" Elliott >>> 1984 Westfalia, auto trans, >>> Bend, Ore. >>> >>> On 01/03/2016 06:25 AM, Dennis Haynes wrote: >>>> When looking at engine preheating there are two different systems that >>>> need to considered. For really cold climates and especially for >>>> Diesels the primary consideration is getting the engine to start. So >>>> here coolant heaters are the first priority. Warming the coolant does >>>> transfer some heat to the oil. It also keeps the oil film on the >>>> cylinder walls warm and as soon as the engine starts the warm engine >>>> parts will warm the oil. Also, if the engine has a substantial oil to >>>> water heat exchanger (on the engine side of the thermostat) some heat will >>> transfer to the oil. >>>> >>>> When looking to install a coolant heater you need to consider the type >>>> and where. There are pump types and convection types. Unfortunately >>>> the Water Boxer does no lend itself to freeze plug heaters as most other >>> engines do. >>>> The non-pump heaters rely on thermal currents to make the coolant >>>> flow. With the 2.1L cooling system you can install one in that water pump >>> inlet pipe. >>>> Other wise one of the pump types installed in the heater circuit will >>>> work best. >>>> >>>> The pad heaters are also an option. Consider attaching directly to the >>>> water jacket either on top or underneath between the jacket and pushrod >>> tubes. >>>> This lower location will also do better transferring heat to the oil >>>> as you will be heating the case also. >>>> >>>> If you want to really go out install one of these Espar heating >>>> systems. Set the timer and get into a nice heated van with a warmed up >>>> engine. You can also set this up for interior heating while camping >>>> although it does get a bit power hungry as ti will need to operate a >>>> heater fan. The heater under the seat works best for this use as it is >>> recirculating the air. >>>> >>>> http://www.lubricationspecialist.com/espar/ >>>> >>>> The Water Boxer usually has no problem starting at cold temperatures. >>>> But we are concerned about oil flow and avoiding excess wear. Since >>>> these engines can also run hot and like higher viscosity oil we tend >>>> to avoid using light oils that would be better suited. So oil heater >>>> should probably be a higher concern for us. >>>> >>>> In the industrial world whenever we have engines especially for >>>> emergency power pre-heaters, pre-lubrication, monitoring is utilized >>>> much more. When emergency generators are also used for emergency >>>> lighting the usual requirement for the lights to be in less than 11 >>>> seconds. That means when power fails, detect the loss, start the >>>> engine, stabilize the speed, and drop the load on it. Usually the oil >>>> and coolant jackets are maintained ~120F. >>>> >>>> One option for the Water Boxer which is best done during a rebuild is >>>> to install a cartridge type heating element in the crankcase. >>>> You will need to drill-tap the case to install one of these >>>> http://www.mcmaster.com/#4668t52/=10irkel >>>> But they are extremely effective. Be sure that it is installed low >>>> enough so that it is always submerged in oil. It would also be a good >>>> idea to use some type of thermostat control. >>>> >>>> When using electric type heater I wish to emphasize the importance of >>>> doing things safely. Follow the electrical code for any installed >>>> systems. Use a GFCI protected outlet-circuit for the power source. >>>> Image a heater shorting and putting 110V on the body and you are >>>> walking in the snow and then grab the door handle! This stuff does >>>> happen. If you are not sure find or hire someone that does. When you >>>> plug into an outlet you do not control use of those outlet testers to >>>> make sure it is wired correctly and that the ground is there. It >>>> amazing how many outlets I have found over the years with the black-white >>> wires reversed. Especially in RV parks. Yes it matters. >>>> >>>> Dennis >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On >>>> Behalf Of Karl Wolz >>>> Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2016 3:44 AM >>>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM >>>> Subject: Re: Warming the oil in cold weather? >>>> >>>> Had a teacher way back in high school tell the class to never buy a >>>> truck from "up on the Rez", because they commonly would park their >>>> trucks against the house and run it all night with the heater going >>>> full blast to provide warmth inside the house. >>>> >>>> Karl Wolz >>>> Sent from my electronic umbilicus >>>> >>>>> On Jan 2, 2016, at 11:59 PM, Mark Tuovinen <aksyncronaut@GMAIL.COM> >>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Last but not least and used for decades in some parts of Alaska and >>>>> other cold climates best left to creatures other than human you can >>>>> always get it started and leave it running until Spring arrives. i >>>>> don't recommend this option especially with a Vanagon but it does >>>>> work. It is also why used trucks from the North Slope are a bad >>>>> investment, way too much idling for their low mileage. Years ago I >>>>> worked in the Parts Dept of a Ford dealership and we sold reman. >>>>> engines >>>> like they were popcorn to the Slope. >>>>> >>>>> Mark in AK >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Jan 2, 2016 at 2:04 PM, Rocket J Squirrel >>>>> <camping.elliott@gmail.com >>>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 01/02/2016 02:35 PM, Richard Smith wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> All of our vehicles had block heaters. The vws had a circular thing >>>>>>> under the centre of the crankcase. They also had a "battery blanket" >>>>>>> to keep the battery warm. Vanagons have no space for those, but >>>>>>> they were essential back in the day. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Seems like there'd be enough space for something like this: >>>>>> >>>>>> < >>>>>> http://www.autozone.com/1/products/18125-battery-pad-heater-22400-ka >>>>>> t >>>>>> s-heaters-22400.html >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Jack "Rocket j Squirrel" Elliott >>>>>> 1984 Westfalia, auto trans, >>>>>> Bend, Ore. >>>>>> >
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