I'm just reviewing the Bentley getting ready to re-try getting that 86
transmission on the 1.9 engine later today.  Fig 1 on page 30.6 talks about
marking position of pressure plate on flywheel before removing.  Oops, I
didn't when I took it off yesterday to examine whether we'd damaged the
clutch disk splines in our previous attempts.

Is this a big problem?  I can't see how the its rotational position on the
flywheel matters but, if it does, I'd rather not learn why the hard way.

Thanks, Rick

On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 7:11 PM, Rick Cooper <rickdcooper@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks everyone.  I really appreciate the tips and good advice.  I
> especially wanted to make sure that there wasn't something else I was
> missing, like an incompatible part.  It is possible that the throwout
> bearing had slipped down the input shaft and I will follow the advice to
> tie the clutch lever up so it cannot.   My son's coming out again on
> Thursday and we'll give it another try.  I'll let you know how it goes.
>
> Rick
>
> On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 5:48 PM, OlRivrRat <OlRivrRat@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Rick
>>
>> I have done about A Half Dozen TranySwaps in the Past year & will Attest
>> to the Fact that the Last 1.5 - 1 in's
>>
>> Can Definitely Be The GriefZone & it Doesn't seem to Matter How Well All
>> is LinedUp ~ I stumbled on to something many
>>
>> Tranys back that has worked for Me on several occasions but unfortunately
>> I manage to forget until I have spent way to
>>
>> much time FightingTheTrany UnderTheBus ~ In Frustration I will SlideOut
>> FromUnder & even with the Rear of the Van'
>>
>> Up On Ramps Reach Over the Eng', Grab the BellHousing By Its Ears & Pull
>> & It will Just Slide Into Place ~ Leaving Me
>>
>> Scratching My Head, while maybe Heading for a Beer & saying Why Did That
>> Work & Why The Heck Don't I Remember
>>
>> That Sooner ~ It MightNot Work for a lot of folks 'cause I am Equipped
>> With 36"Legs Plus 36"Arms ~
>>
>> ORR~ DeanB
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5 Jan , 2016, at 12:51 PM, Rick Cooper wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Dean.  I'm almost certain that the throw-out bearing was fully
>> retracted (it is now, with the tranny out and unless my helper (youngest
>> son) reset it without mentioning it to me...), but will certainly
>> double-check that when we try again.  I can't tell you exactly how big the
>> gap was and can't remeasure now since my son is not avail for a couple of
>> days, but from my visual inspections yesterday, I'd guesstimate the gap at
>> about 1.25 - 1.5 inches.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 11:21 AM, OlRivrRat <OlRivrRat@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>>         Be Sure that the ThrowOut/Release Bearing is Mounted on the Fork
>>> Properly &
>>>
>>> that it is Fully Retracted ~ Check that the Gap Between Eng' &
>>> BellHousing is Even
>>>
>>> All The Way Around ~ How Big is that Gap when You Get Stymied ? ~
>>>
>>>                                                         ORR ~ DeanB
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5 Jan , 2016, at 12:03 PM, Rick Cooper wrote:
>>>
>>> > I'm trying to replace the manual transmission in an '83 Westy with one
>>> from
>>> > an '86 tintop.  Quite simply, I can't get the transmission to mate
>>> with the
>>> > 1.9 engine; there is some mechanical obstruction.  I think I'm far
>>> enough
>>> > away that the input shaft has not even started into the clutch disc
>>> > splines; the fresh grease I put on the input shaft has not been
>>> disturbed.
>>> >
>>> > I don't think its an incompatible parts issue since they appear
>>> identical.
>>> > The transmissions are both stamped 091 301 103D, the pressure plates
>>> are
>>> > marked "Sachs Typ M228" and the clutch discs are both Sachs and measure
>>> > 228mm in diameter.  (The clutch kit from the 1983 is nearly new; the PO
>>> > told me it had been recently replaced and I was hoping to re-use it.)
>>> The
>>> > input shafts appear identical; the clutch disks from both will slide
>>> onto
>>> > either one of them.
>>> >
>>> > Why was I replacing the transmission?  Gearing problems -- usually
>>> > impossible to shift into first from neutral; usually had to get van
>>> moving
>>> > in 2nd and then downshift to 1st.  Also issues shifting from 2nd to
>>> 3rd.
>>> > It seemed less expensive to swap in a good used transmission than to
>>> have
>>> > that one rebuilt.
>>> >
>>> > Can anyone suggest what the problem might be?  (I haven't done many
>>> > engine/tranny swaps, but I'm experiencing deja vu.  I once tried to
>>> put the
>>> > engine from an '88 Chev S10 into a 1991 Chev S10.  Same problem; could
>>> not
>>> > get the engine to engage with the 91 transmission's input shaft.
>>> Turns out
>>> > that GM had changed the input shaft size in the intervening years.)
>>> >
>>> > Thanks, Rick
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>