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Jim

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 7:06 PM Stuart MacMillan <stuartmacm@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Also, Don has a gas engine with a diesel starter, and diesel flywheels may
> well be one piece with hardened teeth like Jim says, I’ve never seen one.
> Maybe all modern cars are like that, I’ve never seen a modern car. ;-)
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> Stuart
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> From: Scott [mailto:SCOTTDANIEL@TURBOVANS.COM]
> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 4:33 PM
> To: Stuart MacMillan; vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: Diesel Vanagon Starter ?
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> Very good ..
> two conflicting opinions.
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> and thanks for the Link ....bit spendy at 600 bucks....
> though ..
> I do note that FAS says something about their dry ice fitment process for
> the ring gear,
> that tells me they are getting the hardened ring gear separately from the
> flywheel that they machine....
> probably.
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> I'll just heat the ring gear up on the one I have and see what happens.
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> the comment about the ring gear being hardened and the flywheel not so
> much makes perfect sense.
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> Scott
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> On 05/05/2016 01:05 PM, Stuart MacMillan wrote:
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> AFAIK, all flywheels have replaceable ring gears. They are hardened steel
> and the flywheel isn't.  I used to take them to a machine shop for
> replacement, but here is a fancy new flywheel option for you:
> http://www.foreignautosupply.com/parts-accessories/34-in-line-4-cylinder-vanagon-engine-conversion-flywheel/#.VyvP4vmDGko
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> Stuart
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf
> Of Jim Felder
> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 3:17 PM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: Diesel Vanagon Starter ?
>
> RE diesel flywheel teeth coming off... no, all one piece. Gone are they
> days, as far as I know, that you could restore a flywheel by grinding
> through the teeth until you could just knock the ring off with a hammer,
> then put the new ring in the oven and the flywheel in the freezer and then
> take that leap of no return. Fun!
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> Jim
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> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 5:11 PM Scott  <mailto:SCOTTDANIEL@turbovans.com> <
> SCOTTDANIEL@turbovans.com> wrote:
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> the diesel starter uses a bushing mounted in the nose of the starter
> itself.
> There should be no movement of this bushing in the starter housing,
> and the fit of the starter shaft into it is ...'smooth, not sloppy or
> tight.'
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> there is a Retainer Ring sort of thing on the shaft forward of the
> bendix drive gear.
> Covering that ring  is a round part that snaps over the ring under it,
> that is in a groove in the starter shaft.
> if you wiggle it, it will rock some on top of the ring it's covering.
> ..kinda a snap fit.
> ( when I go to replace a bendix drive gear ...I use an open end wrench
> over the shaft to tap this retainer thing off the ring. You can see
> which way it will go. )
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> havn't had to look at one in a while, but I'd say this 'cover ring'
> thing limits movement of the bendix drive gear toward the flywheel and
> slight wiggle is normal..
> And I imagine you have a stock diesel flywheel.
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> in any case...
> 'Usually' whenever there is oddball or unclean engagement of starter
> to flywheel ..
> if it's not worn out flywheel starter teeth, it's the bendix drive gear.
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> a bit fidlly to replace ..
> only about 30 bucks from a good starter rebuilder shop ..
> take them your starter to get numbers off it .
> Heck, I got The Perfect bednix drive gear for my 46 year old Mercedes
> car for $ 27 that way.
> ..and that totally fixed the intermittent failure to engage or stay
> engaged.
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> btw....flywheel teeth.
> they don't wear evenly all around the flywheel, since engine
> compression causes the engine to stop in 4 places more than everywhere
> else.
> Do rotate your engine through a full turn inspecting those flywheel teeth.
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> I have long wondered if the ring gear comes off the diesel vanagon
> flywheel.
> 'traditionally'...like on a 70's era Mercedes for example..
> That gear  is a heated/pressed/and shrunk on ring gear.
> Like a 70 dollar part at a 'real' foreign car parts supply company (
> not a FLAPS )
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> to replace it, heat with a torch ...tap if off..
> heat new one..drop it onto the shoulder if fits on ..let it cool in place.
> Neat.
> One of these days I will try that process with a diesel vanagon
> flywheel I have, because just rotating that ring 80 degrees or so  on
> the flywheel with give it fresher teeth for the starter to engage.
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> hope ya followed al that !~
> S.
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> On 05/05/2016 02:52 AM, Don Hanson wrote:
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>    I have an 84 van with an inline gas motor and the diesel style 50
> degree mounting set up.   The transmission is currently out.  I have
> had this strange "squelching" sound when I start the vehicle...not
> every time but frequently. Been doing this now for a few years and
> perhaps 40k miles...There is no problem starting, the starter seems
> to behave normally, other than the weird sound as the gear retracts,
> I guess.
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>    On this diesel starter,  there is a small bearing or bushing
> sharing the shaft with the starter gear.   It is about 5mm  wide, with
> a shallow groove around the circumference and is slightly loose on
> that shaft.   It seems to be meant to slide back and forth slightly on
> that shaft, perhaps to keep the gear from being extended too far into
> the flywheel teeth?   I can 'wiggle' this bushing slightly with my
> fingers....It seems like this could be the source of the weird sound
> that sometimes comes when I release my starter switch....kinda
> sounds like when you trap a ping pong ball (do people still play
> ping pong?) under the paddle against the table....
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>   Does anyone have anything to advise about this?  Is that bushing
> (sorry for the imprecise terminology) supposed to wiggle, or should it
> slide smoothly on that shaft?   Can that little bushing be replaced by
> itself?  What's it called?  thanks. Don Hanson
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