| Subject: | Re: Vancouver Island |
| From: | Alistair Bel |
| Date: | Sat, 7 May 2016 20:06:28 -0700 |
I wish that rule was followed more. Out of sight out of mind is more the rule sometimes. Alistair > On May 7, 2016, at 5:06 PM, KI4TLF <ki4tlf@GMAIL.COM> wrote: > > You pack it in, pack it out. Doesn't take any more space than it did and it should be lighter to carry. > > GregM > > -----Original Message----- > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of Roger Whittaker > Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2016 6:51 PM > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM > Subject: Vancouver Island > > Dear Alistair > > My comment is and was directed at General Comments - you are intensely more knowledgeable than nearly any one I have met outside of active loggers - And yes the dumping of garbage in the woods is a serious problem - Muggles engaged in this activity should be punished - Logging shows doing a garbage dump in the woods also a problem -luckily Truck Loggers Association - of which I am a member - is trying to stop logging professionals from treating the woods like a personal waste oil drop - Hydraulic oil was likely the result of a blow out and yes that too should be dug up and carried away - I mean it is often an excavator - bad dog no treat to anyone tossing so much as a candy wrapper to the ground in the woods - As far as callus logging practices - well some of that is in the eye of the beholder - if a person is 100% no tree should ever be cut then all logging will look callus - The encouragement I see in the industry to be a responsible harvester of this renewable resource is heartening - with a long way to go - Again my apology if my terse tongue in cheek salutation read as with derision The intention was 100% inclusive humour > > Regards > >> On Saturday, 7 May 2016, Alistair Bel <albell@shaw.ca <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','albell@shaw.ca');>> wrote: >> >> Hey roger, >> >> I'm not disputing what you said, it's just I haven't come across it. >> >> But I do come across, frequently, is illegal garbage dumping, callous >> logging practices, logging equipment maintenance garbage ( even >> though a lot of the spilled oil from logging equipment is >> biodegradable hydraulic oil). >> >> And illegal hunting. >> >> I see more damage done by yahoo types than anything else. >> >> And yes, forest ownership, leases,tree farm licenses, is different on >> the island from the rest of the province. >> >> Alistair >> >> On May 7, 2016, at 1:12 PM, Roger Whittaker <rogerwhitt1@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Dear VI Master - to whom has all knowledge of the Unknown (log roads >> and other woodland gunk holes especially ) and to all of us who >> lovingly learn from him - >> >> >> Re Eco warriors and the stuff done - >> After being a safety manager for a logging roads builder - for more >> than 7 years I can tell you from experiance that very little of what >> is done in the woods to thwart loggers is reported - most is >> circulated to safety departments of various stake holders - >> --- lest we forget many of these logging roads are owned and >> maintained privately - some on public land have private management and >> private use rules - Most of these logging roads are not under any sort >> of provincial "care " >> outside of the Tree Farm Lic the user is operating on the land with - >> and that licence may be 100 years old - Further to that the public use >> of the road is often at the pleasure of the licence owner - >> >> Regards >>> On Saturday, 7 May 2016, Alistair Bel <albell@shaw.ca> wrote: >>> >>> Yes, roger makes some good points >>> >>> My experiences: >>> >>> Gates - yes there are gates and there are trenches and bermed >>> inactivated roads, and removed bridges. The gates locked usually in >>> areas of active logging, or if there is a big fire hazard. >>> >>> Road roughness - you should have good tires already :-) >>> >>> Truck traffic - it can be a little disconcerting to come across one >>> of the big loaded trucks barrelling towards you, especially when >>> roads are dry and dusty. I go slower when I suspect active logging. Never used radio. >>> >>> Eco warriors - new one on me. Never encountered anything of the kind. >>> >>> >>> And I should mention how I now navigate the roads. I have lots of >>> paper maps, and the back roads books. I seldom use them now. The >>> backroad series is ok, but I've found a few errors in them and I >>> don't trust them completely. They don't have up to date road >>> inactivation data and I have found mis labelled spurs. >>> Pretty well all of the area I outlined is beyond cell phone range, be >>> aware of that. >>> What I do now, and you can do this with lap top ( but now I use my >>> iPads) is when you are in wifi or cell coverage, survey the region >>> you want in google maps or earth, or Apple maps. Both are good, but >>> the satellite data differs, I have found more up to date satellite >>> images in Apple maps for my areas of interest, but annoyingly those images have thin cloud cover. >>> >>> But either will work. Survey the area to the detail you want. The >>> data is in cache on device. Then when out in the bush it becomes >>> trivial to navigate the networks of roads. >>> >>> My iPad mini is connected to garmin glo Bluetooth gps device. This >>> gets a quick and very accurate fix, even in canyons and tree cover. >>> >>> My iPad Air 2 has built in gps and works almost as well. >>> >>> Also , you can find pdf maps with geospatial data embedded. With the >>> right app you can have your position displayed on a topo map. >>> >>> (I really should do a blog post detailing all this, it truly is a >>> game changer for getting around on e logging roads up here). >>> >>> I continue to be amazed when I am at one of my favourite camping >>> sites and I can see the site on the satellite image, with my blue dot >>> location, and then look up from the screen and see that I am pretty >>> well spot on. I mean really very close, within a couple of meters. >>> >>> Alistair >>> >>> >>> On May 7, 2016, at 9:57 AM, Roger Whittaker <rogerwhitt1@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Dear VI Camper >>> >>> With Alister telling you all about the wonderful logging road system >>> there are three things you should take into account before venturing >>> on to said logging roads 1. Tires - the Michelin pkg offered by Go >>> Westy says right on the tires - NO ROCKs And many (er.... Some) >>> logging roads are blasted rock with all the sharp edges and all - >>> >>> 2. Some logging roads have gates - the gate may or may not be open to >>> where you want to end up - also it may be open upon your arrival and >>> closed when you try to get out - and no there is usually not a handy >>> list of numbers to call attached to the lock - >>> >>> 3. Many logging roads are active and the trucks moving in either >>> direction are calling miles up or down via a vhf radio - you may want >>> to think about getting one - does everyone have one - no - do the >>> truck drivers wish everyone had one - YES - a logging truck loaded or >>> unloaded actually meeting an unannounced vehicle is probly about as >>> common for logging truck as it is for urban drivers meeting wayward >>> bicycle - Not Awlays reported - happens lots - please be safe - >>> >>> And oh yes one more thing >>> >>> 4. Eco warriors leave many nasty things in the woods to hinder the >>> progress of legitimate users of the bush - razor blades on lock s was >>> one particularly hidious event recently catalogued - it is my hope >>> you do not become collateral damage to some of these misguided >>> protests >>> >>> Regards >>> >>>> On Saturday, 7 May 2016, Alistair Bel <albell@shaw.ca> wrote: >>>> >>>> Forgot to add that I have some pics of the areas described below, on >>>> my blog. >>>> For example, pics taken with David B. On a trip to bamfield and port >>>> Alberni a few years ago, and a cold April. >>>> >>>> https://shufti.wordpress.com/2011/04/07/another-logging-road-trip/ >>>> >>>> Alistair >>>> >>>>> On May 7, 2016, at 8:12 AM, Alistair Bel <albell@SHAW.CA> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Ok, a couple of options for the southern part of the island. I'm >>>> leaving out the obvious tourist attractions. >>>>> >>>>> From Victoria head west to port renfrew. On the way there are a >>>>> few >>>> provincial campsites that are worth a look. China beach, Mystic >>>> beach, sombrio beach. There is also a fairly rugged hiking trail ( >>>> similar to the famous west coast trial) that runs along that section of the coast. >>>>> Any one of those parks is worth an overnight stay. >>>>> Jordan river is popular surfing spot with a small campsite. >>>>> At port can head out westwards and have a look at botanical beach. >>>> Very much worth it if you are into intertidal life. >>>>> >>>>> Port renfrew itself has a native run campsite in the beach. It can >>>>> be >>>> a a zoo on summer weekends. >>>>> >>>>> Fairy lake provincial campsite is close by, but again, it can be a zoo. >>>>> >>>>> The road goes north thru port renfrew, over a second bridge, and >>>>> you >>>> have the choice of turning left or right. >>>>> Turning right, and this is all paved, the road winds along Harris >>>> creek and then on to cowichan lake. This is now part of a popular >>>> circle route back to Victoria, very popular with motorbike riders. >>>> Some very nice views of the creek (popular in winter high water with >>>> those crazy extreme type river kayakers). No real campsites along >>>> the way, but old logging roads here and there if you want to explore. >>>>> >>>>> Back at the choice of turn, if you take the left the road winds >>>>> north >>>> then west to follow the Gordon river watershed and on again to >>>> cowichan lake. The road turns to gravel after the bridge over the >>>> Gordon. Just a little further is the famous avatar grove, big trees, really big. >>>>> >>>>> We head on this road to do our camping and exploring , but turn >>>>> off >>>> and head west. No campsites where we go, and road can be rough. If >>>> you are in the mood for that let me know and I can give you hints to >>>> navigate the confusing system of logging spurs. >>>>> >>>>> Back in the Gordon river road to cowichan. Lots of side roads, >>>>> again >>>> rough, to explore. >>>>> >>>>> What ever road, Harris or Gordon, you take you end up at cowichan >>>> lake. You can then head east (paved) to cowichan village and then on >>>> east to the main island Hwy and back south to Victoria. If you do >>>> that stop at the logging museum in Duncan. >>>>> >>>>> But if you head west (gravel) you have a couple of prov park >>>>> choices >>>> on the south side of the lake. And then if you continue west towards >>>> nitinat lake, there is a somewhat hidden site on nitinat river , >>>> nitinat falls. No organized sites, the road down is tight, can be >>>> tricky at bottom if you want to get onto the river gravel. But it's an option. >>>>> >>>>> On to a T in the road, left to nitinat village where there are >>>>> many >>>> kite boarders in the summer. The lake gets very windy in the summer >>>> afternoons. Mini industry serving (originally windsurfers) kite boarders. >>>>> >>>>> At the T if you go right, and over bridge that spans the nitinat >>>>> river >>>> ( gravel bar camping below bridge, but do you want to camp there?) >>>> you will be on the fairly well marked road to bamfield. >>>>> >>>>> You can turn off that road and get lost along the way :-). One >>>>> example >>>> is the alternate route to bamfield that passes flora lake. Nice >>>> little forestry campsite, buggy though, but if weather hot and dry >>>> it's worth a stop for swim and overnight. >>>>> >>>>> One of my favourite watersheds, the klanawa, is reached via this way. >>>> Lots of rugged calling to be had, again if you're game let me know. >>>>> >>>>> Bamfield has marine research station and is the north end of the >>>> famous west coast trail. Pachena bay is very much worth a visit, >>>> somewhat like a mini long beach, but a bit more sheltered. >>>>> There is a native run campsite near the national park there, right >>>> near the bay. >>>>> From bamfield you can head north east on gravel, along the side of >>>>> the >>>> Alberni inlet and end up at port Alberni. >>>>> You can stock up on crack and OxyContin here :-) But has a super >>>>> cool working steam sawmill, very much worth visit. >>>>> Then you can head west to Tofino and long beach etc, or east back >>>>> to >>>> the east side of the island and the main island hwy. >>>>> >>>>> Alistair >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 30, 2016, at 8:14 AM, Bruce Todd <beeceetee@GMAIL.COM> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi all - >>>>>> >>>>>> Just beginning to put the first plans together around a trip to >>>> Vancouver >>>>>> Island in late July early August and so I am asking the group for >>>> great >>>>>> suggestions of where to camp and explore. >>>>>> >>>>>> I received some really great suggestions last year from the group >>>> that made >>>>>> our trip to Washington & Oregon memorable. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks in advance, >>>>>> >>>>>> Bruce Todd >>>>>> 86 Westy Syncro >>> >>> >>> -- >>> roger whittaker 604.414.6266 >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------- >>> PR MARINE SURVEYORS & >>> http://www.tvthatworks.com >>> http://www.tvpowellriver.com >>> LinkedIn - >>> >>> - ca.linkedin.com/pub/roger-whittaker/14/78a/b71/Explore printed work >>> at: http://www.prliving.ca/ >>> View the growing list of video work at: >>> http://www.youtube.com/user/LastonLastof#g/u >>> http://vimeo.com/42309497 >>> >>> >>> http://www.prpeak.com/articles/2010/11/29/multimedia/video/doc4c62e5f >>> 80d228504902172.txt >> >> -- >> roger whittaker 604.414.6266 >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------- >> PR MARINE SURVEYORS & >> http://www.tvthatworks.com >> http://www.tvpowellriver.com >> LinkedIn - >> >> - ca.linkedin.com/pub/roger-whittaker/14/78a/b71/Explore printed work >> at: http://www.prliving.ca/ >> View the growing list of video work at: >> http://www.youtube.com/user/LastonLastof#g/u >> http://vimeo.com/42309497 >> >> >> http://www.prpeak.com/articles/2010/11/29/multimedia/video/doc4c62e5f8 >> 0d228504902172.txt > > -- > roger whittaker 604.414.6266 > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > PR MARINE SURVEYORS & > http://www.tvthatworks.com > http://www.tvpowellriver.com > LinkedIn - > > - ca.linkedin.com/pub/roger-whittaker/14/78a/b71/Explore printed work at: > http://www.prliving.ca/ > View the growing list of video work at: > http://www.youtube.com/user/LastonLastof#g/u > http://vimeo.com/42309497 > > http://www.prpeak.com/articles/2010/11/29/multimedia/video/doc4c62e5f80d228504902172.txt
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