LOL...
thanks ...wanted to see if anyone would notice !

what's the freudian slip I wonder.

On 05/10/2016 10:37 AM, Jeff Schwaia wrote:
> Hey Scott...  it's "limp mode", not "limb mode".  :-)
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> Cheers,
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> Jeff Schwaia
> Autostadt West
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of Scott
> Sent: Monday, May 09, 2016 10:41 PM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: Vanagon rentals are catching on
>
> fwiw,
> an aftermarket add-on device to prevent overheating in air-cooled VW's...
> like say a VW Bug , did exist i the 70's and may still.
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> a little cirucit wired to the igntion with a temp sensor on the engine ..
> if the engine got WAY too hot, say cooling fan v-belt fell off, the ignition would go into a limb mode ..
> it would run, but just enough for you to get off the freeway at half power , for example.
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> I had some friends tow to me  a modern Passat...
> the one with the fore-aft mounted inline gas engine ..
> that's known for sludging up oil passages.
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> they had it towed because a huge Red Light in the middle of the speedometer said STOP !
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> and lots of modern cars can go into a limb mode ..
> so it's not totally dead, but it can't hurt itself quite so much.
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> a engine temp limb mode system could be made to work on a vanagon ..
> like say coolant level, coolant temp, and oil pressure , and it goes into a limb mode.
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> the ignition based circuit above,  was not complicated..
> small box, 4 or 5 wires, under $ 50.
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> Yeah..I think there's a lot of risk in renting out vanagons.
> they're not idiot=proof vehicles at all.
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> guy i know rents them out on Oahu, Hawaii..
> at least they can't get too far away there !   ..like 2 hour drive max
> to rescue the thing.
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> Scott
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> On 05/09/2016 02:43 PM, Jim Felder wrote:
>> An immobilizer that prevented restarting would not work at all on a
>> Vanagon. It would have to shut the car down at 230 degrees or thereabouts.
>> It's going to immobilize at some point, why not before the fatal
>> damage sets in?
>>
>> Jim
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>> On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 5:07 PM kenneth wilford (Van-Again) <
>> kenwilfy@comcast.net> wrote:
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>>> My brother just rented a new Chevy Suburban the other day that has a
>>> rumble pack under the driver's seat when you do something it doesn't
>>> like, it vibrates.  Maybe something like that to scare them?  I know
>>> it would scare me.  :-)
>>>
>>> Ken
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 6:03 PM, Stuart MacMillan
>>> <stuartmacm@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I thought about that too, but you need to be able to get to a safe
>>>> place to stop.  An immobilizer to prevent restarting?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Stuart
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>>>>
>>>> From: Jim Felder [mailto:jim.felder@gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Monday, May 09, 2016 12:52 PM
>>>> To: Stuart MacMillan; vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Vanagon rentals are catching on
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It would have to have an immobilizer feature to work with the
>>>> non-vanagon crowd.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jim
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>>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 2:50 PM Stuart MacMillan
>>>> <stuartmacm@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I would not rent or even loan my van. But if I did, I'd install a
>>>> coolant
>>>> alarm: http://www.gowesty.com/product-details.php?v= <
>>>> http://www.gowesty.com/product-details.php?v=&id=24196> &id=24196
>>>>
>>>> Stuart
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On
>>>> Behalf Of kenneth wilford (Van-Again)
>>>> Sent: Monday, May 09, 2016 10:49 AM
>>>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>>> Subject: Re: Vanagon rentals are catching on
>>>>
>>>> Scott, we were learning to be more picky with who we rented to, but
>>>> it
>>> was
>>>> a painful process.  People wanted to rent vans to go to Prince
>>>> Edward Island from NJ (nope sorry), people wanted to rent them to go
>>>> to music festivals (unfortunately that didn't end well either as
>>>> alcohol was involved along with domestic violence).  As you said, we
>>>> tended to think
>>> of
>>>> these vans as our babies as well.  Would you hand you children over
>>>> to
>>> just
>>>> anyone?  Some people do, but I don't.  :-)
>>>>
>>>> Ken
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 12:00 PM, Scott Quinnett
>>>> <dragonflyvans@gmail.com
>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This thread was just brought to my attention.  I have been doing
>>>>> this business for almost 10 yrs now.  When I started there were two
>>>>> places in California and one in Hawaii(Maybe two) that, in my
>>>>> humble opinion, were basically making average VW campers available.
>>>>> Nothing more with
>>> one
>>>>> exception. VSWagons.   I have been contacted by many attempted "start
>>>>> ups" over the past few years and a particular spike in attention in
>>>>> the last two years. They are looking for insurance, feedback,
>>>>> experience, revenue, etc. etc. Admittedly I haven't been very open
>>>>> or friendly, I've got a lot to do daily and I'm a
>>>>> Mechanic/Technician first, and social butterfly with a cool
>>>>> business concept in a far far second.  In order for renting to make
>>>>> sense and be profitable you have to ask big money.  That concept
>>>>> doesn't translate until your customers have actually used the van
>>>>> and returning with that "ah ha" moment of understanding the value.
>>>>> Also,  I probably turn away as many people as I rent to.  I litterally research everyone who I intend to rent to.
>>>>> If your familiar with the TV show Seinfeld, my friends call me the
>>>>> "van nazi".  "NO VAN FOR YOU!" as I am very stick about who and how
>>>>> my campers are being used.  I am a self made person and I've built
>>>>> everyone of these vans with my own hands and they are mine, my
>>>>> daughters if you will. They are not for everybody.  blah blah
>>>>> blah......but I'm 9 years into with only one failure that needed
>>>>> roadside attention.(chest
>>>>> pounding)  In any case,  I'd love anyone to chime in with opinions
>>>>> about this.  More I'd love to hear the horror stories of others
>>>>> having done the same thing.  In fact, that might be the whole purpose of my
>>>>> participating.  It may be a "misery love company" thing.   No one can
>>>>> empathize with this kind of thing, but can sympathize with the
>>>>> concept of morons f'n up your vans.  errrrr.....  Looking forward
>>>>> to hearing from folks.  One day I intend on producing a coffee
>>>>> table book regarding the horror stories.  I believe on VW Van
>>>>> owners will
>>>> appreciate it.
>>>>> Peace.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Ken Wilford
>>>> John 3:16
>>>> www.vanagain.com
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ken Wilford
>>> John 3:16
>>> www.vanagain.com
>>>
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