

| Subject: | Re: Rear-wheel clunk (possibly) identified |
| From: | Vincent Dow |
| Date: | Thu, 26 May 2016 11:49:31 -0400 |
Oh god... Yeah, I actually have already experienced that. Loose axle bolts caused a singular clunk on breaking away from a stop. Finally sheared right off. I'm on my way up to Carrera Motors, and they're gonna put it on the lift, check the trailing arm bushings and axle bolts. And like I said, going to try and recreate the CLUNK by slamming the axle outwards, into the hub. Just to chase that theory all the way to ground. I hate hearing it. causes me to wince. But all the other posters who recounted the same experience said it went on for a long time w/o a catastrophic failure. :) On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 9:55 AM, Marc Perdue <mcperdue@gmail.com> wrote: > Be sure the axle bolts are tight. Mine was making this knocking sound > for about 400 miles till it didn't, at 10 PM, during a snowstorm. > That's when the bolts all gave out and the axles wouldn't turn any > more. > > Marc Perdue > > On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 11:10 PM, Vincent Dow <ianvincentdow@gmail.com> > wrote: > > I need to lie down under her again and try to yank that axle outwards, as > > if to bang it on the hub - listen for a simlilar *instrument* as makes my > > 's van's clunk sound climbing hills. > > For an axle to make the sound my rear is making, it would have to be > going > > in and out each revolution. Or, maybe the trailing arm is swinging > > in-and-out by revolution - creating a hammer effect > > There doesn't seem to be anything the axle could be KNOCKING as it spins > - > > that just doesn't make sense. > > > > Interestingly, just replaced my tires - the wear was so uneven on my > rears > > . I had a patch one third the passenger side rear that was baby-ass bald, > > but there was still tread on its opposite side. Got me thinking > bent-axle. > > > > My Klunk sound seems to go away at highway speed. It's only under load, > > cycling up through 1st and 2nd gears. The harder I push, the louder it > is. > > > > On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 10:04 PM, Edward Maglott <emaglott3@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > >> The clunking sound I have is exactly related to wheel speed. It sort of > >> fades in and stays a couple dozen seconds or a minute then fades out. > I'm > >> pretty sure I've tried swerving and that didn't affect it. Also pretty > >> sure going around a curve either way did not affect it. If it is the > >> driveshaft end hitting the inside of the hub, why would it do that once > per > >> revolution and only sometimes? The place I have had it happen more than > >> once is a long, strait mountain grade on Interstate where I'm at WOT for > >> quite a number of minutes and often have to put my AT in "2" for a while > >> too. > >> Edward > >> > >> > >> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 8:44 PM, Vincent Dow <ianvincentdow@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> That's great to learn greg. Thank you. > >>> > >>> The thread on samba zeroed in on the theory that the axle itself was > >>> moving > >>> between the CV joints. Because it's only held on by circlips. So the > >>> longer > >>> end slides and bangs into the hub.- or it could be dinging the output > on > >>> the transaxle. > >>> > >>> There is a thrust washer which originally was supposed to slip on the > axle > >>> before the circle, and that would limit the movement of the axle > between > >>> CVs. But it was said to be a PITA to get the circle on with it there. > The > >>> Cvs from van cafe still show the thrust washer in their kit. But many > >>> don't > >>> use it. > >>> > >>> The other possible solution is to slide the CV boot as far towards the > >>> wheel as possible, and that will hold the axle inboard. > >>> > >>> I'm going to check my trailing arm bushings tomorrow as well. > >>> best > >>> vinnie > >>> > >>> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 8:38 PM, KI4TLF <ki4tlf@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> > Mine had rear swing arm bushing going bad, specially the left side. > >>> After > >>> > turning to the right at speed, 25+ MPH, I'd get the clunking going > over > >>> > bumps until I turned left at those speeds or higher again. > >>> > What was happening was the lower swing arm would shift inboard, then > the > >>> > end of the axle would clunk over bumps. Once I turned right, it > would > >>> > shift out, then no more clunking. > >>> > Replaced both lower swing arms bushing and no more problems turning > >>> either > >>> > way. :-) > >>> > > >>> > It took several months to find it driving it daily. Finally found > out > >>> > what was happen after the CV boot tore and I went to replace it. > Found > >>> the > >>> > swing arm would move in and out over an inch. > >>> > > >>> > GregM > >>> > '84 GL > >>> > 1.9l 4-speed > >>> > > >>> > -----Original Message----- > >>> > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On > Behalf > >>> > Of Vincent Dow > >>> > Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 4:54 PM > >>> > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM > >>> > Subject: Re: Rear-wheel clunk (possibly) identified > >>> > > >>> > Stick tranny. > >>> > I was just under there again, videoing the chamber of the > trailing-arm, > >>> > occupied by the outboard CV joint. > >>> > Looking for something that could be striking. > >>> > > >>> > The Bentley manual doesn't show any washers, thrust washers... any of > >>> that > >>> > stuff being mentioned in the samba thread. > >>> > > >>> > I'm going to keep reading, thinking. Tomorrow it goes on a lift so at > >>> > least can inspect the CV and grease. > >>> > > >>> > On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 5:22 PM, Dan Lamb <vanagongramps@gmail.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> > > >>> > > Auto or stick tranny? Axle lengths are different left and right on > >>> auto. > >>> > > Someone may have used stick axles or swapped sides? Ones too long? > >>> > > > >>> > > Dan Lamb > >>> > > > >>> > > > On May 25, 2016, at 12:34 PM, Edward Maglott < > emaglott3@GMAIL.COM> > >>> > > wrote: > >>> > > > > >>> > > > I have puzzled over the same clunk in my '86 for years. It is on > >>> > > > the passenger side though. It is quite a heavy sound and > feeling. > >>> > > > not like anything I could imagine in the brakes making. I'm not > >>> > > > sure mine goes > >>> > > away > >>> > > > if I swerve to load/unload the suspension. Mine went away for a > >>> > > > while after I replaced the outer CV on that side. Maybe couple > >>> > > > years/couple thousand miles. I haven't read all the samba > article > >>> > > > linked but what I have read is interesting. IIRC, it does > >>> > > > sound/feel like what happens if you slide the axle in/out. > >>> > > > Edward > >>> > > > > >>> > > > On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Vincent Dow > >>> > > > <ianvincentdow@gmail.com> > >>> > > > wrote: > >>> > > > > >>> > > >> Since last summer I've been experiencing a puzzling, > intermittent > >>> > > >> clunk from the driver's side rear. > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> I had the rear brakes serviced by a shop in L.A. There were a > bunch > >>> > > >> of issues with that, but one of them was a very audible TOCK > TOCK > >>> > > >> TOCK TOCK sound... the frequency of which corresponded to wheel > >>> speed. > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> I only heard this sound when the van was warmed up from highway > >>> > driving. > >>> > > >> And then starting from a stop, or climbing a grade. > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> My girlfriend came across this thread that deals with exactly > what > >>> > > >> I > >>> > > have: > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > > >>> http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=387993&postdays=0&pos > >>> > > > torder=asc&highlight=axle++noise+fit&start=0&sid=cb5f768858f53fec27c75 > >>> > > 037b66837cf > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> Seems to indicate an overlong CV-stub axle... that bunches up (I > >>> > > >> guess) > >>> > > and > >>> > > >> hits the hub. An absence of thrust washer between the hub and > the > >>> > > >> CV > >>> > > might > >>> > > >> be the cause. > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> Is anyone familiar with the thrust washer as spacer at the CV > and > >>> hub? > >>> > > >> Tomorrow going to bring it up to Carrera motors and put it on > the > >>> > lift. > >>> > > May > >>> > > >> just get the CVs greased while I'm at it - I leave cross > country on > >>> > > friday! > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> vinnie > >>> > > >> > >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >> > >> >
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