

| Subject: | Re: HELP: Engine stopped |
| From: | Fuzzy :philippe |
| Date: | Thu, 7 Jul 2016 12:35:51 -0700 |
Just reconfirmed this now. Ignition switch was on, and wasn't able to start it. Waiting a few minutes now with ignition switch off. On Jul 7, 2016 12:34 PM, "Fuzzy :philippe" <fuzzmeister@gmail.com> wrote: > Yep, pointing more and more towards the coil. > > Also seems like keeping the ignition on makes it not start after 5m. But > with ignition off it starts after 5min. > On Jul 7, 2016 12:28 PM, "Roy Nicholl" <RNicholl@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote: > >> Phillippe: >> >> Jim is correct - it’s one or the other. If you are seeing no power on #4 >> to the distributor, I would suspect an over-heating/failing coil. If you >> are simply seeing no pulse … then the Hall sensor/sender would be suspect. >> I’ve had a coil fail with similar behaviour to what you are experiencing - >> when it became too hot. Thus far my hall sensor is fine - though I’ve >> been told they fail more frequently than coils. >> >> >> >> > On 07-Jul-2016, at 16:11, Fuzzy :philippe <fuzzmeister@GMAIL.COM> >> wrote: >> > >> > Definitely have power to terminal 15. >> > >> > Seems like waiting 5-10m allows me to restart and drive a few minutes, >> then >> > engine dies again. >> > >> > Interesting note: when engine is about to die, pressing accelerator does >> > nothing until floored, and then I hear the engine rev up only then. And >> at >> > the same time engine rpm needle on dashboard is at zero and doesn't >> move. >> > Then engine dies. >> > >> > Going to try to make it home 2min at a time. >> > >> > I have the wrong multimeter (not precise enough). >> > >> > Any extra thoughts based on the above notes appreciated! >> > On Jul 7, 2016 12:02 PM, "Jim Felder" <jim.felder@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > Bad Hall sensor or bad coil. Rare coil failure but I have had several >> with >> > a break in the windings that will expand when hot and stop the car. >> > >> > Jim >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 1:55 PM Roy Nicholl <RNicholl@nbnet.nb.ca> >> wrote: >> > >> >> Phillip: >> >> >> >> Primary (#1 & #15): 0.5Ω - 0.8Ω >> >> Secondary (#1 & #4): 2.5kΩ - 3.5kΩ or 7kΩ to 8kΩ (upper bound may be a >> >> little higher) >> >> >> >> If your coil is outside theses ranges, then it may be time to get the >> >> spare out from under the bench. >> >> >> >> Check to be certain you still have power to #15 when you are not >> getting >> >> spark. >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 07-Jul-2016, at 15:42, Roy Nicholl <RNicholl@NBNet.nb.ca> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Ooops …. those are kila-ohms on the secondary (HT) circuit … put your >> >> meter into the right rage. >> >>> >> >>>> On 07-Jul-2016, at 15:40, Roy Nicholl <RNicholl@NBNet.nb.ca> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Going by memory here: >> >>>> >> >>>> Primary circuit: >> >>>> #15 is live (low voltage side) >> >>>> #1 is switched ground (tach signal) >> >>>> >> >>>> You should have 0.5 - 0.8 (or 0.9) ohms across here >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> The HT circuit is between 1 and wire to distributer (#4?): You >> should >> >> measure either ~2.5 - 3.5 Ohms or ~7 - 8ohms, depending on the >> generation >> >> of your coil … one is green the other grey … I cannot remember which is >> >> which. >> >>>> >> >>>> Make certain you disconnected the coil completely before measuring >> >> resistance! >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>> On 07-Jul-2016, at 15:17, Fuzzy :philippe <fuzzmeister@GMAIL.COM> >> >> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Engine just died while idling in a parking lot. Zero resistance >> > between >> >>>>> terminals 1 and 15 >> >>>>> On Jul 7, 2016 11:03 AM, "Roy Nicholl" <RNicholl@nbnet.nb.ca> >> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> Centre ignition wire …. you mean from the coil to the distributor? >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Start working backwards … is the coil failing? When there is no >> >> spark … >> >>>>>> do you have power into the coil? >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> On 07-Jul-2016, at 14:58, Tyler Hardison <tyler@SERAPH-NET.NET> >> >> wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Nope, saw that message afterwards. I'll bow out. I've never seen >> >> that. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Fuzzy :philippe < >> >> fuzzmeister@gmail.com> >> >>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> There seems to be a lack of spark from the center ignition wire. >> >> Does >> >>>>>> that >> >>>>>>>> connect with the issue you had? >> >>>>>>>> On Jul 7, 2016 10:55 AM, "Tyler Hardison" <tyler@seraph-net.net> >> >> wrote: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Phillippe, >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> I too had this issue. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> The problem is likely vapor lock caused by clogged fuel filter >> or >> >>>>>>>>> possibly the pressure regulator. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Look under the van on the passenger side for the fuel filter(s). >> >> If you >> >>>>>>>>> have two, you can eliminate the front square filter. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> --t >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Fuzzy :philippe < >> >>>>>> fuzzmeister@gmail.com> >> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> I don't post here often but I'm hoping you guys can help. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> I have an '87 2.1L Vanagon GL >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> I drive it, and suddenly the engine stops and won't restart for >> >> about >> >>>>>>>>>> 10min. Then it starts and runs for a few minutes and dies >> again. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Thoughts? I'm on the road with basic tools and multimeter, but >> I >> >>>>>> haven't >> >>>>>>>>>> done this sort of diagnostic before. I could use a short talk >> on >> >> the >> >>>>>>>>>> phone >> >>>>>>>>>> with anyone who can help. I also have the servicing manual but >> >> these >> >>>>>>>>>> books >> >>>>>>>>>> assume basic knowledge of such engines, which I don't. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> A quick text to 415-505-0786 would be awesome! >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks so much, >> >>>>>>>>>> Philippe >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>> >> >> >> >
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