

| Subject: | Re: HELP: Engine stopped |
| From: | Fuzzy :philippe |
| Date: | Thu, 7 Jul 2016 15:20:07 -0700 |
And now it starts. Mmmmmmmm... On Jul 7, 2016 3:12 PM, "Fuzzy :philippe" <fuzzmeister@gmail.com> wrote: > Coil replaced, still not starting. > > Mmm. Back home with a better multimeter. More investigation needed. > On Jul 7, 2016 1:47 PM, "Richard Koller" <brvkoller@gmail.com> wrote: > > This happened to me and it was the coil. I noticed the coil was extremely > hot to the touch in my case. > Good luck. > Rick > > On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 3:35 PM, Fuzzy :philippe <fuzzmeister@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Just reconfirmed this now. Ignition switch was on, and wasn't able to >> start >> it. Waiting a few minutes now with ignition switch off. >> On Jul 7, 2016 12:34 PM, "Fuzzy :philippe" <fuzzmeister@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > Yep, pointing more and more towards the coil. >> > >> > Also seems like keeping the ignition on makes it not start after 5m. But >> > with ignition off it starts after 5min. >> > On Jul 7, 2016 12:28 PM, "Roy Nicholl" <RNicholl@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote: >> > >> >> Phillippe: >> >> >> >> Jim is correct - it’s one or the other. If you are seeing no power on >> #4 >> >> to the distributor, I would suspect an over-heating/failing coil. If >> you >> >> are simply seeing no pulse … then the Hall sensor/sender would be >> suspect. >> >> I’ve had a coil fail with similar behaviour to what you are >> experiencing - >> >> when it became too hot. Thus far my hall sensor is fine - though I’ve >> >> been told they fail more frequently than coils. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On 07-Jul-2016, at 16:11, Fuzzy :philippe <fuzzmeister@GMAIL.COM> >> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > Definitely have power to terminal 15. >> >> > >> >> > Seems like waiting 5-10m allows me to restart and drive a few >> minutes, >> >> then >> >> > engine dies again. >> >> > >> >> > Interesting note: when engine is about to die, pressing accelerator >> does >> >> > nothing until floored, and then I hear the engine rev up only then. >> And >> >> at >> >> > the same time engine rpm needle on dashboard is at zero and doesn't >> >> move. >> >> > Then engine dies. >> >> > >> >> > Going to try to make it home 2min at a time. >> >> > >> >> > I have the wrong multimeter (not precise enough). >> >> > >> >> > Any extra thoughts based on the above notes appreciated! >> >> > On Jul 7, 2016 12:02 PM, "Jim Felder" <jim.felder@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > Bad Hall sensor or bad coil. Rare coil failure but I have had several >> >> with >> >> > a break in the windings that will expand when hot and stop the car. >> >> > >> >> > Jim >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 1:55 PM Roy Nicholl <RNicholl@nbnet.nb.ca> >> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> Phillip: >> >> >> >> >> >> Primary (#1 & #15): 0.5Ω - 0.8Ω >> >> >> Secondary (#1 & #4): 2.5kΩ - 3.5kΩ or 7kΩ to 8kΩ (upper bound may >> be a >> >> >> little higher) >> >> >> >> >> >> If your coil is outside theses ranges, then it may be time to get >> the >> >> >> spare out from under the bench. >> >> >> >> >> >> Check to be certain you still have power to #15 when you are not >> >> getting >> >> >> spark. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 07-Jul-2016, at 15:42, Roy Nicholl <RNicholl@NBNet.nb.ca> >> wrote: >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Ooops …. those are kila-ohms on the secondary (HT) circuit … put >> your >> >> >> meter into the right rage. >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> On 07-Jul-2016, at 15:40, Roy Nicholl <RNicholl@NBNet.nb.ca> >> wrote: >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Going by memory here: >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Primary circuit: >> >> >>>> #15 is live (low voltage side) >> >> >>>> #1 is switched ground (tach signal) >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> You should have 0.5 - 0.8 (or 0.9) ohms across here >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> The HT circuit is between 1 and wire to distributer (#4?): You >> >> should >> >> >> measure either ~2.5 - 3.5 Ohms or ~7 - 8ohms, depending on the >> >> generation >> >> >> of your coil … one is green the other grey … I cannot remember >> which is >> >> >> which. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Make certain you disconnected the coil completely before measuring >> >> >> resistance! >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>>> On 07-Jul-2016, at 15:17, Fuzzy :philippe <fuzzmeister@GMAIL.COM >> > >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> Engine just died while idling in a parking lot. Zero resistance >> >> > between >> >> >>>>> terminals 1 and 15 >> >> >>>>> On Jul 7, 2016 11:03 AM, "Roy Nicholl" <RNicholl@nbnet.nb.ca> >> >> wrote: >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>>> Centre ignition wire …. you mean from the coil to the >> distributor? >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> Start working backwards … is the coil failing? When there is no >> >> >> spark … >> >> >>>>>> do you have power into the coil? >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>> On 07-Jul-2016, at 14:58, Tyler Hardison <tyler@SERAPH-NET.NET >> > >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>> Nope, saw that message afterwards. I'll bow out. I've never >> seen >> >> >> that. >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Fuzzy :philippe < >> >> >> fuzzmeister@gmail.com> >> >> >>>>>>> wrote: >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> There seems to be a lack of spark from the center ignition >> wire. >> >> >> Does >> >> >>>>>> that >> >> >>>>>>>> connect with the issue you had? >> >> >>>>>>>> On Jul 7, 2016 10:55 AM, "Tyler Hardison" < >> tyler@seraph-net.net> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Phillippe, >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> I too had this issue. >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> The problem is likely vapor lock caused by clogged fuel >> filter >> >> or >> >> >>>>>>>>> possibly the pressure regulator. >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Look under the van on the passenger side for the fuel >> filter(s). >> >> >> If you >> >> >>>>>>>>> have two, you can eliminate the front square filter. >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> --t >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Fuzzy :philippe < >> >> >>>>>> fuzzmeister@gmail.com> >> >> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I don't post here often but I'm hoping you guys can help. >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I have an '87 2.1L Vanagon GL >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I drive it, and suddenly the engine stops and won't restart >> for >> >> >> about >> >> >>>>>>>>>> 10min. Then it starts and runs for a few minutes and dies >> >> again. >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Thoughts? I'm on the road with basic tools and multimeter, >> but >> >> I >> >> >>>>>> haven't >> >> >>>>>>>>>> done this sort of diagnostic before. I could use a short >> talk >> >> on >> >> >> the >> >> >>>>>>>>>> phone >> >> >>>>>>>>>> with anyone who can help. I also have the servicing manual >> but >> >> >> these >> >> >>>>>>>>>> books >> >> >>>>>>>>>> assume basic knowledge of such engines, which I don't. >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> A quick text to 415-505-0786 would be awesome! >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks so much, >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Philippe >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >
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