Dennis, makes sense.  So, spare set for right, rotate right  three front to
rear, moving right rear to spare, spare to right front .  Rotate left two
front to rear, rear to front.  I can do that, if I remember it!  After
maybe four swaps, remount tires and switch sides.  Hmmm..... .  Would that
last be cost effective?  Save more on tire wear than the cost of remounting?

Thanks, mcneely

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 6:59 PM, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> When dealing with directional tires and a set of five I usually set the
> spare for the right side. Ten for rotations I rotate the 3 on the right and
> only 2 on the left. For some reason the right front typically gets the most
> wear and this helps offset that after a number of rotations it may be
> beneficial to remount two of the tires to switch sides. For many Vanagon
> owners (5 to 7K miles/year), tires seem to get replaced on years or due to
> damage before they really wear out.
>
> Dennis
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf
> Of David McNeely
> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 6:28 PM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: Chains, traction... Vredisteins
>
> Where on the sidewall is the directional arrow?  I've just looked mine
> over, and didn't find it.  That doesn't mean it isn't there, of course, it
> just means I didn't find it.  Can you point me to the right direction ;-)
> ?  Sure would appreciate it.  I've also reread the description on the
> Vredestein site and a couple of others with no mention of the tire being
> directional.  That doesn't mean it isn't, either, of course.
>
> So, I bought five tires, specifically to have a like spare and to use a
> five tire rotation pattern.  With directional tires, that won't work, of
> course.  The dealer didn't point that out to me, so maybe that is a
> failing, such as Don mentioned that dealer is capable of.
>
> mcneely
>
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Dennis Jowell <dennisjowell@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > David,
> > My new Vredesteins 195 r 14c) all weather tires are directional. There
> > is a directional arrow printed on the sidewalk.
> > Laters,
> > Dennis J
> >
> > Dennis Jowell
> > Scotch Hollow Farm
> > Newbury, Vermont
> >
> >
> > > On Nov 28, 2016, at 5:42 PM, David McNeely <davmcneely40@GMAIL.COM>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Don, when you say they mounted the tires backwards, please help me
> > > to understand.  They are not described as directional tires, unless
> > > I failed to read correctly.  But I will check mine.  How would I
> > > know they were mounted backwards?  You have had poor experience with
> > > Les Schwabb, can
> > you
> > > be specific as to what they did wrong?  I tried other vendors, they
> > > were the only local one who would order the Vredesteins for me.  I
> > > do not like to buy tires from internet vendors.  The price I paid
> > > was the best price
> > I
> > > found, internet vendors included.  At least there is someone I can
> > > go to
> > if
> > > the tires fail, rather than having to deal with a distant vendor.
> > >
> > > Glad you had good luck with the Comtrac tire on winter conditions.
> > > I
> > will
> > > be driving from Spokane to Thousand Oaks, CA (and then to some
> > > outback locations in S California after Christmas) next month.
> > > Right now I plan
> > to
> > > go from Spokane to either Portland or Seattle depending on weather,
> > > and then S on I-5, to avoid mountain driving as much as possible.  I
> > > know,
> > long
> > > way around, but may be safer.  Since you spend a lot of the winter
> > > down there, perhaps you can give me some pointers about free camping
> > > and pleasant environs.  We just want to enjoy the out and about
> > > while down there.
> > >
> > > mcneely
> > >
> > >> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 9:00 AM, Don Hanson <dhanson928@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Just tested those Vredisteins (com Trac all season 195 r 14c) on a
> > >> drive through Nevada, Oregon and California.  Nasty conditions on
> > >> hwy 95 near Goldfield, NV saw cars, RVs and a semi or two stuck on
> > >> both sides of the highway.... I managed to thread my way through,
> > >> I'm sure on Momentum alone.  And the folks who mounted these tires
> > >> for me put em on
> > backwards.
> > >> I give these tires a thumbs up...Very stable on ice in 60mph cross
> > winds,
> > >> which I encountered for 50 miles....That being said...drive
> > >> traction in
> > a
> > >> 2wd Vanagon still sucks!   You lose momentum, you're done....
> > >>   Les Schwab:. They have an outstanding "presentation" making their
> > >> workers jog everywhere. ..looks impressive, but that is show
> > only....they
> > >> aren't good.  Tires they sell fail..they make lots of
> > >> mistakes....we
> > gave
> > >> up on Les Schwab....
> > >>
> >
>