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Subject:Re: Mechanical/Brakes/1984 Westy
From:Eric Wunrow
Date:Sat, 17 Dec 2016 23:39:44 -0500

Thank You, David� I try despite screwing up once every several years or so� :-)

   Eric
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On Dec 12, 2016, at 11:25 AM, David Beierl <dbeierl@ATTGLOBAL.NET> wrote:

> Good on ye, mate.
> 
> On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 11:46 PM, Eric Wunrow <VW@ericwunrow.com> wrote:
> 
>> Thank You, Stephen, I really appreciate that!
>> 
>> I hope everyone here understands my replies and confusion(s) in this
>> matter. It's been a real challenge to keep this sucker rolling and finding
>> reliable mechanics as well. But thankfully, there's been enough of them to
>> keep us moving forward.
>> 
>> Thanks again to everyone.
>> 
>>   Eric
>>   Eric Wunrow Pictures
>>   303. 988. 8717
>> 
>>   VW@EricWunrow.com (for this list's emails)
>>   EW@EricWunrow.com (for private messages)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 6, 2016, at 11:45 AM, Stephen Grisanti <bike2vcu@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
>> 
>>> I just read the entire Samba thread on the subject and think every
>> poster--yes, even TK, whose unique style shone through
>> nonetheless--conducted himself admirably.  I was recently involved in a
>> troubleshooting thread on a different forum and the clash over "...it's not
>> possible..." might have brought the contributors to blows if they'd been in
>> the same room.
>>> The thing about problems like this is that it's hard to stay on track
>> and not be driven crazy, even without off the wall suggestions by the
>> onlookers.  My uncle Elmer, no matter what the problem, always suggested
>> checking the tire pressure.  But he was a professional trucker with an
>> entire shop at his disposal, so had nothing to lose by spitballing.   Glad
>> you got it fixed.
>>> Stephen
>>> 
>>>   On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 4:40 AM, David Beierl <
>> dbeierl@ATTGLOBAL.NET> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> "There was zero reference in that post to make anyone think "wrong style
>>> bearings�" so I think my reply there is fitting."
>>> 
>>> There are really only two reasons that could lead to bad clearances in a
>>> tapered roller bearing -- wrong size bearing or damaged shaft.  MarkWard
>>> pointed you directly to the trouble, and certainly deserves credit for
>> his
>>> clear thinking.  It is difficult to understand how any mechanic could
>>> install a bearing half that was an eighth of an inch too large for the
>>> shaft, but checking the clearances as MarkWard said would have instantly
>>> found it .
>>> 
>>> Yrs,
>>> d
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Eric Wunrow <VW@ericwunrow.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> The overriding opinion on several fronts, even beyond here, was master
>>>> cylinder-related, and several other potential issues others supported.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Terry busted his butt trying to help us, we shared many posts, emails,
>>>> texts, and phone calls.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm sure not going to apologize for thanking someone that was really
>> there
>>>> for me from Day 1.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I've replied to Mark's post on the Samba� or, is that you and you're
>>>> blowing your own horn? There was zero reference in that post to make
>> anyone
>>>> think "wrong style bearings�" so I think my reply there is fitting.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> My appreciation for each and every reply I've gotten from everyone has
>>>> been stated, as I really am very thankful for everyone's help!
>>>> 
>>>> This is the only note I could have done without� please just avoid my
>>>> posts from here on out.
>>>> 
>>>>    Eric
>>>>    Eric Wunrow Pictures
>>>>    303. 988. 8717
>>>> 
>>>>    VW@EricWunrow.com (for this list's emails)
>>>>    EW@EricWunrow.com (for private messages)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Dec 1, 2016, at 11:55 AM, vw_van_fan_Mark <madvws@COX.NET> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> The official VW Parts says the spindle diameter changed in 84 model
>> year
>>>> production at chassis number E - 023827 so most 84 would have the later
>>>> bearing. Only pretty early 84 model year vans would have the old
>> bearing.
>>>> The factory built roughly 150,000 T3 vehicles most years.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Not sure why you gave much credit to TK since Mark Ward blamed the
>>>> bearings right away. Meanwhile TK had you replacing the master cylinder,
>>>> looking for bad hoses, bad bleeders, and said several times that the
>>>> bearing were likely not the cause.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes, VanCafe rocks, as usual!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mark D
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Eric Wunrow wrote:
>>>>>> THANK YOU everyone for your help!!!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The problem is fixed, and as I "just knew," yes my brake issue was
>>>> related to putting in front bearings.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> As I kept saying ad nauseum, coincidences are rare in the mechanical
>>>> world�
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Here's the short version�
>>>>>> All Vanagons prior to later 1984 ending with 150001 as their chassis
>>>> number (findable on the rearward side of the frame wall under the bus
>> and
>>>> below the passenger seat), which should match the VIN if not chopped,
>> had a
>>>> smaller front spindle diameter.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> In our case, the mechanic used the later-version bearings on our
>>>> early-1984 bus, meaning there was a huge amount of slop in the front
>>>> bearings that enabled rotor-centering inconsistencies under braking.
>> Hence,
>>>> pedal went to floor, then fine, then somewhere in between...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sans repeating the entire saga, and hopefully without irritating our
>>>> lovely hosts here, here's all the details:
>>>>>> http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=667705&
>>>> postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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