We were there, too Edward, about 300 feet from the incident towards IndyCar Turn 4 (Coke bottling lot near Camp David).

Poor guys...

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On Dec 15, 2016, at 4:27 PM, Edward Maglott <emaglott3@GMAIL.COM> wrote:

> I was at the USGP at Indy the year this happened:
> http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/19721/three-canadian-men-found-dead-at-indy/
> not related to a propane heater but maybe you were referring to a different
> incident.
> 
> Edward
> 
> On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 7:18 AM, Mark Milby <obxmilby@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> *Danger Will Robinson! Danger!*
>> 
>> I hope everyone is aware of the dangers of propane heaters indoors. Some
>> are OK, most are not. I was at the F1 GP camping in Indy when the three
>> guys died heating there camper with propane. It was an ugly scene.
>> 
>> Be very careful, or better yet find another heat source.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 7:12 AM, Michael McSwain <michaelmcswain@gmail.com
>>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I think I agree.  For size,  heat and propane consumption I'm going to
>>> exchange it for the smaller one.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the input
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Dec 15, 2016, 5:14 AM David Beierl <dbeierl@attglobal.net>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> At the high setting of 9,000 BTU/hr, Don, the one you linked will use up
>> a
>>> pound bottle of gas in two hours and change.  The lower setting is around
>>> 6,000 BTU/hr, should run around three and a half hours.  In my experience
>>> as well as getting expensive quickly with the pound bottles, it would be
>>> better in the van if the high setting were around 5-6000 BTU/hr and the
>> low
>>> setting half that.
>>> 
>>> They make a smaller unit that stands on top of the bottle that Harry
>>> Hoffman has been very pleased with in his van.  One setting, rated 3800
>>> BTU/hr -- should go over five hours on a pound bottle.  However it would
>>> need modification to be able to work with an external hose as it simply
>>> screws to the bottle top.
>>> 
>>> Michael, I think you'd be happier with either one of the smaller ones.
>>> 
>>> Yrs,
>>> d
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 3:56 AM, Michael McSwain <
>> michaelmcswain@gmail.com
>>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just bought the larger version with two burners,  but I'm thinking
>> about
>>> returning it in exchange for the smaller one.  Has the smaller version
>> left
>>> anyone wanting for more heat or does it seem to be adequate?
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016, 10:42 PM Richard Koerner <rjkinpb@sbcglobal.net>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Don,
>>>> I am fully in agreement with your choice of Mr Heater.  I have the
>> Little
>>>> Buddy heater; same principle as the bigger one, just smaller.  Works
>>>> great.  ESPECIALLY in low humidity and low elevations like you are now
>>>> dealing with in the Southern California deserts.  I was amazed and
>>> thrilled
>>>> first time I used it.
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, the issues are getting rid of carbon monoxide and water vapor; a
>>>> generous crack in the side windows, both sides, and a passage for stuff
>>> to
>>>> go out the vent upstairs, and you've got a nice, tidy, comfy little
>>> Vanagon
>>>> world.
>>>> Word is that it fails above 7,000 feet....but that is not the situation
>>>> where you are now, in the low desert.  Actually, I've never tried mine
>>>> above 7,000 feet.  Like in the Eastern Sierras at late Spring or early
>>> Fall.
>>>> 
>>>> Yeah, pretty nice to be warm and comfy; my Little Buddy Heater from Mr
>>>> Heater is packed and ready to go with a couple green propane cylinders
>>> from
>>>> Walmart, you know, the little ones.  Might go this weekend.  Vanagon
>>>> comfort at its finest.
>>>> The desert out there is starting to look mighty nice; couple more
>>>> rainstorms and we are in good shape.
>>>> 
>>>> RichSan Diego
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>      From: Don Hanson <dhanson928@GMAIL.COM>
>>>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2016 6:50 PM
>>>> Subject: Mr Heater
>>>> 
>>>> I just came through a few days of cold weather in my tintop/westie...
>> The
>>>> wind howling, snow blowing at elevation, and cold rain elsewhere.  This
>>>> trip, I have along a Mr. Heater, a catalytic propane unit that uses
>> those
>>>> small green propane  cylinders or  connects to a normal tank with a
>> hose.
>>>> I can't believe I've camped and traveled for so long without any real
>>>> heat...
>>>>  The heater gets the van comfortable in a few minutes, it has two
>> temp.
>>>> settings and a pilot light, a low O2 shutoff and a tip over switch.
>> I've
>>>> not timed how long the small cannisters will go.  Pretty compact when
>>> using
>>>> the small size propane, which tucks into the housing nicely.  These
>> heat
>>>> soundlessly, almost..  fairly reasonable.... I gave $60 + 20 for the
>> hose
>>>> to a bigger refillable tank.  Pretty cheesy construction, but it works
>>>> great ..and no more diving right into a sleeping bag as soon as dinner
>>> has
>>>> cooked, to keep from freezing...
>>>>    A thumbs up.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> https://www.farmandfleet.com/products/395472-mr-heater-
>>> portable-buddy-propane-heater.html?feedsource=3&gclid=Cj0KEQiAsf_
>>> BBRDMpoOHw4aSq4QBEiQAPm7DL-2y2en3ABEpOhxnGay7WV5678qK_
>>> u51FhG-6Cy1HdcaArlf8P8HAQ
>>>> 
>>>> Sheesh, big link there.. sending by Android from the desert
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Mm
>> 
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