Dennis,

Mine has been “tweaked” and was rated at 77kW (~102HP) … I doubt it performs quite to that level now.

> On 31-Dec-2016, at 12:32, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
> 
> While the 1.6TD makes more torque at lower engine RPM it does not have the same horsepower as a 2.1L unless it has been tweaked. I have worked on and driven a couple of them. Just my opinion but I wouldn’t desire one any more than I would switch my home back to oil heat from natural gas. 
> 
> Dennis
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf Of Roy Nicholl
> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2016 6:53 AM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: 094 5 Speed kit
> 
> Don,
> 
> Some of our T3s came with a 1.6TD in the back … perhaps not a Big Torque Engine … but a little bigger than the WBX
> 
>> On 30-Dec-2016, at 23:11, Don Hanson <dhanson928@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>> 
>> Good points.. If you install a big torque motor behind a factory 
>> Vanagon transmission, you are exceeding the design parameters of the transmission.
>> You'll need to learn to drive differently, if you can, or plan on 
>> breaking things.
>> Our Vanagons are pretty heavy and their WBX motors have a wide torque 
>> band, sure..117 ft/lbs?..that is not big torque, so we're not speedy, but
>> you floor it, and go as fast as it'll take you.   Nice and simple...
>> When you add a TDI, a Subaru, supercharged inline, or another big 
>> torque motor..and you use all it's torque, you're asking for breakage 
>> in the drive line... especially if you are banging low rpm 
>> short-shifts or driving hard on variable surfaces.
>> Vehicles are designed as complete systems.  The transmission was made 
>> to withstand what a WBX motor puts out, torque-wise, probably not much more.
>> I'm running an inline VW with a bit more Horsepower but only a little 
>> more torque... I have to run higher RPM to achieve better performance, 
>> but I don't stress the transmission that much more with larger turning 
>> force (torque)..  The trade-off is the ABA motor was designed as part 
>> of a passenger car, fairly light, so I've learned to NOT ask this 
>> light car motor to grunt at low rpms against the almost 5000lbs I 
>> usually weight in my Vanagon... It's not a lugging low rpm motor, 
>> especially in a Vanagon, but you probably could drive it that way in a 
>> stock sedan, (the car it was designed for)  I'd be diligent about 
>> keeping high quality lube in the transmission, maybe even add a 
>> temperature gauge, and apply all that big torque gently...Or spend 
>> more money and install a strong Porsche turbo tranny 😂
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 30, 2016 4:19 PM, "C. Abney" <tsudonimh@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> It appears that many who have swapped to higher powered motors, 
>>> bigger wheels, and or overloaded their vans with accessories have had 
>>> to rebuild their transmissions frequently.  That is becoming more 
>>> clear as time goes on.
>>> 
>>> Be modest about what you do change, and don't change your driving 
>>> habits from what you'd normally do given that you are driving a 
>>> vanagon. That's the take-home lesson I got based on my readings.
>>> 
>>> On 12/30/16, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> In addition to the .73 fifth gear what final drive (ring/pinion) 
>>>> ratio
>>> are
>>>> you running and what size ties? All of this factors in.
>>>> While it appears that reducing engine rpm is an ultimate goal there 
>>>> are disadvantages. It takes continuous horsepower to overcome wind
>>> resistance.
>>>> Horsepower is a function of torque and RPM. Reduce the RPM and 
>>>> torque
>>> has to
>>>> increase proportionally. Increased torque then becomes increased 
>>>> stress
>>> on
>>>> everything. So you save some fuel but decreased transmission and 
>>>> engine
>>> life
>>>> become victims. Keep in mind that the base of these transmissions 
>>>> were developed for engines less than 60 HP and vans somewhat lighter 
>>>> and with less frontal area than ours. These transmissions do not 
>>>> like torque over time. Also, keeping the engines running under load, 
>>>> pushing with more
>>> boost
>>>> to get the job dome makes for an NOx emissions issue.
>>>> 
>>>> Dennis
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On 
>>>> Behalf
>>> Of
>>>> Darrell Boehler
>>>> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2016 9:16 AM
>>>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>>> Subject: Re: 094 5 Speed kit
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Jason,
>>>>          I use a 0.73 ratio 5th gear from Weddle on my 86 vanagon 
>>>> 094 transaxle and it works fine. I have a tdi ahu converted to a tdi 
>>>> afn. I
>>> have
>>>> 20k miles on it and am happy. If you are staying with the same size 
>>>> tires you might want to go to the 0.70 ratio.  I rarely need to down 
>>>> shift on
>>> the
>>>> highway.
>>>> Midwesty
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> It seems my TO-DO list is a FITO (faster-in-than-out)
>>>