

| Subject: | Re: Dang driver lowbeam and front driver turnsignal |
| From: | David Beierl |
| Date: | Fri, 6 Jan 2017 20:28:18 -0500 |
Jim, if you want a good analog bench meter, pick up an old Simpson 260/270 or Triplett 630 in good shape off ebay. Note that for the high ohms range you'll need a 22.5 volt battery, probably not worth the expense. The lower ohms ranges use a D cell. These meters are 20,000 ohms per volt on DC and were the industrial repairman's standby. There are variations, but any of them will see you right. Yrs, d On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 8:07 PM, Jim Felder <jim.felder@gmail.com> wrote: > I followed Stuart's link and bought one of the compact Radio Shack meters. > It arrived today. I really like it for its practicality. You can fold it up > and not worry about the cords getting snagged and messed up, which is what > happens to most I carry around in a toolbox. It's great for what it is. I > also have Harbor Freight digital and old-school d'arsenval meters, they are > all useful for something. If I had to pick one to keep, it would be a top > of the line Harbor Freight digital or maybe a big 1980s Radio Shack meter, > hard to say. Sometimes it is better to watch a meter fluctuate than to read > a bunch of numbers. > > Anyway, they all know a lot more about electronics than I do. > > Jim > > On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 6:42 PM Stuart MacMillan <stuartmacm@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Good ole Harbor Freight! Some for $4.99, which one do you like? > > http://www.harborfreight.com/catalogsearch/result?q=multimeter > > > > > > > > Stuart > > > > > > > > From: dbeierl@gmail.com [mailto:dbeierl@gmail.com] On Behalf Of David > > Beierl > > Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 4:24 PM > > To: Stuart MacMillan > > Cc: vanagonlist a > > Subject: Re: Dang driver lowbeam and front driver turnsignal > > > > > > > > Stuart, Harbor Freight has $6 (sometimes free) meters that are perfectly > > adequate for almost all van electrical stuff (better than the RS folding > > one in some ways) and easier to find/use for one fifth the price. > > > > What you need in a van digital multimeter are: > > > > Banana jacks so you can use different test leads or adapters. > > > > Power switch that is not a pushbutton that could get turned on in your > > toolbox. > > > > Manual ranges -- auto-ranging is nice, but if you can't turn it off it > can > > drive you nuts in some circumstances. Much better to not have it than > have > > one that can't be turned off (most auto-ranging *can* be turned off). > > > > > > > > Accuracy -- the cheapest digital meter is more accurate than all but > > extremely expensive analog meters, and accuracy is specified in terms of > > the reading rather than the meter full scale. It will be good enough, > > sight unseen, until you are advanced enough to work out the ramifications > > yourself. > > > > > > > > High impedance -- the standard input impedance for electronic voltmeters > > is ten megohms, which is excellent. The lowest I've seen on a digital > > multimeter is one megohm, which is still plenty for any normal van > > purposes. Cheap analog meters have an impedance of 2,000 ohms for every > > volt on the scale, so a ten-volt scale would have 20,000 ohms. Sounds > like > > a lot, but it will drag your oxygen sensor practically to ground. Huge > win > > for digital in this case. > > > > > > DC Volts -- 20, 2, 200 mV (fancier meters with more "counts" may read up > > to 3999 or 4999 on a range instead of 1999). > > > > > > > > DC Amps -- Ten or twenty amps and a milliamp range of some sort. Note > > that the high-amp range on cheap meters is usually un-fused, so if you > try > > to read volts with the leads connected for amps you will smoke the meter > > shunt and maybe melt the meter case. OTOH the fuses on my fancy Fluke > > meter cost more (each) than the entire HF meter... > > > > > > > > Ohms -- 200 ohms to at least two megohms ranges. You won't actually use > > these often, as you'll mostly be concerned with resistances that are too > > small to measure accurately (or at all) by this technique. Instead > you'll > > be using the 200 mV scale on live circuits to get voltage drops directly, > > which is the number that matters in any case. In effect you are turning > > the van and meter together into an extremely fancy ohmmeter that can > > measure milliohms or even microohms. > > > > > > > > Diode Test -- Like ohms, but shows voltage across a semiconductor that's > > conducting. Modern digital ohmmeters use too low a voltage to turn on a > > semiconductor junction, so they have a special function that will. It's > > nice if this function has enough voltage to turn on blue/white LEDs -- > some > > do, some don't. Pretty much all of them will work with red/yellow/green > > LEDs, and all will work with germanium or silicon diodes. > > > > Your $6/free HF meter does all this. For an extra buck or two you can > get > > one with a light. > > > > Things that are nice: > > > > > > > > Continuity buzzer -- nice, but can bite you since they usually beep > > somewhere between 50 and 150 ohms. That's ok if you're looking at a > > circuit with an incandescent light installed in it, but not for wires > > connected together, switches and so forth. But if you ever get a chance > at > > an old Hickok meter with ?Vari-Trak? (audio beeper that changes pitch > with > > the meter reading) grab it. It's a huge pity they went out of business > and > > nobody has picked up this idea. > > > > > > > > Bar graph display -- digital meters typically take 2-4 readings per > > second, and average the reading over the measuring period which will be > > roughly one-third of the cycle time. For rapidly changing readings (like > > the oxygen sensor on the van) this can lead to readings that appear > > random. Slightly fancier meters often have a secondary bar graph display > > that isn't precise but responds much more quickly than the main display. > > > > Illumination -- can be very handy. If I had to pick between continuity > > buzzer and light I'd probably pick the light. > > > > > > > > Display hold -- lets you make a measurement and capture the reading to > > look at in better conditions. > > > > > > > > Min/Max -- captures the highest and lowest values of a reading. Handy > for > > example when measuring voltage drop during cranking. > > > > > > > > Frequency/duty cycle -- good for PWM (pulse width modulated) signals like > > the 2.1l Idle Control Unit output, LED dimmers and such. > > > > DC+AC -- digital meters on DC ranges typically ignore AC. This function > > gives a separate reading for any AC component of a DC signal, like ripple > > and hash on the alternator output. Probably only on quite fancy meters. > > > > Type K thermocouple input for temperature. Even nicer if you can switch > > the reading for F or C. > > > > > > > > Auto-timeout on light and meter power -- can save your battery. Can also > > be a nuisance, so even nicer if you can shut if off. > > > > > > > > Yours, > > > > David > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 11:19 PM, Stuart MacMillan <stuartmacm@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > No, you are not being obnoxious, basic electrical troubleshooting > requires > > one. At least get of one these, I give them away to my friends and > family: > > https://www.radioshack.com/products/radioshack-22-range- > pocket-digital-multimeter > > I now have a Fluke meter, but I still have the Radio Shack pocket VM I > > bought at least 30 years ago in my Vanagon on-board toolkit. > > > > Stuart > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf > > Of Dennis Haynes > > Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2017 7:43 PM > > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM > > Subject: Re: Dang driver lowbeam and front driver turnsignal > > > > I’ll ask for forgiveness in advance for sounding obnoxious. Besides > > changing parts did you consider using a meter? Each headlight high and > low > > bam does have its own fuse, yes 4 fuses for the lights. They are after > the > > switches in the headlight circuit. The turn signal sounds like a bad > > ground, probably at the socket itself. The 4 way flasher is not an > > independent circuit. The flasher will not flash unless it sees enough > > current being drawn for two bulbs. High resistance in the working or a > bad > > bulb will prevent the flasher from working. This acts as an indicator > of a > > turn signal being out. The 4 ways connect 4 lamps so if one or two were > out > > it will still flash. Headlight grounds are also a common problem. There > are > > grounding clusters above the fuse box. It is common for the quick slide > > connecters to both corrode and also break just from heat and age. As the > > headlights are higher current items new ground connections near the > > headlamps are a good idea. > > > > Dennis > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf > > Of C B > > Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2017 7:48 PM > > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM > > Subject: Dang driver lowbeam and front driver turnsignal > > > > My driver lowbeam won't work at all. > > What didn't help: > > Swapped bulbs. > > Replaced turnsignal ring & stalk. > > Replaced dash headlight switch. > > Traced wires and pulled apart the fuse block and driver's side wiring > > stars connectors. (Should I try the passenger side one?) > > > > In addition, the driver front turnsignal stays on and won't flash whether > > just parking lamps, or either headlight combination is on. > > BUT the driver front flasher works in emergency 4-way flasher mode > > regardless of parking light/headlight configuration. > > I know the 4-way flasher is its own circuit, so where in the > > parking/headlight circuits are likely culprits? > > > > Other than that, Cunegonde finally home and ready for visual restoration. > > It's been a long several years since the engine debacle. > > > > > > CUNEGONDE 1985.5 2,1l WBX 4sp Westfalia > > > > > > >
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