I've built worse things that lasted much longer :)   I've built better
things didn't last at all. We'll have the longevity discussion in a few
years.

For me it's about building a daily driver that I really enjoy how it works
as a package.  I build my own engines & transmissions and enjoy it.  I'd
almost pay someone to do brakes & tires these days.

Jason

On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 9:03 PM, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> Your set up is not promoting longevity. Just too much stress. Even by your
> own admission even accepting bearing failures is a sign you know this. I
> have customers that don’t want to deal with brake jobs at 4 to 5 year
> intervals never mind engine repairs. I just don’t see the sense in taking a
> good running vehicle and spending all that time and money to gain some fuel
> economy and maybe speed and then have to keep fixing it.
>
>
>
> Your 205/70-15 tires are not much of an oversize, (~1”). You’re not
> gaining much there(~ 30 revolutions/mile). I would be a tad concerned
> driving that size-design tire at those speeds especially if the van is
> loaded. This is a marginal fitment the same rating as a 215/70-14.
>
>
>
> Please understand I am not trying to challenge or otherwise give you a
> hard time. Just trying to give you the benefit of experiences had by others
> and educate those that may think about following your path.
>
>
>
> Dennis
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Jason [mailto:uberhare@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 3, 2017 5:39 PM
> *To:* Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@hotmail.com>
> *Cc:* vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> *Subject:* Re: 094 5 Speed Kit Diesel Conversions
>
>
>
> Even with the tuning peak torque still seems to be coming in around
> 2000-2200 RPM.  I've been driving a Passat with the same engine for 4 years
> now, so I'm pretty comfy with the performance level.  I've also towed quite
> a bit with it (2500-3500 lbs) and still cruises nicely at @ 2200 rpm
> heavily loaded (6 speed manual conversion).   Even putting another Passat
> wagon on the car dolly (3500 lbs + 3500 lbs) cruised fine at 2200-2400 rpm
> on the highway.   My cargo trailer is 8 feet tall, the mileage suffers
> heavily but my cruise speed does not.
>
>
>
> I'm pretty confident the 4.14 will be ok, it's more longevity I'm
> concerned about.  It might just eat bearings every 4-5 years - which I
> could accept.   TDI's don't like the high revs as much as IDI's when it
> comes to fuel mileage I've found.  The Whitestar just did 500 miles last
> weekend and cruised happily at 75-80mph the whole trip :)   It's best
> highway Vanagon I've owned yet, also the first one I've had oversized tires
> on (205-70-15).   It will be our summer time daily driver/highway cruiser
> and will likely not get heavily loaded that often.  If the TDI will cruise
> @ 2600/75mph I'll be happy.  If was going IDI or ALH I'd likely use the
> 4,57.
>
>
>
> Jason
>
> Uberbus
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 11:18 AM, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> My experience with the VW Diesels including the TDI is limited but I have
> seen them. Here in New York we follow the CARB and conversions of any type
> are restricted. We are not allowed any of the VW Diesel products from 2002
> through 2006. We just don't see many Diesels here.
>
> As for your gearing choice I think you are going a bit too tall. The 300ft
> lbs is a high state of tune and that peak is around 2,400 rpm from what
> I've seen. As such I think you want to get near that torque peak just above
> 55-60 mph where wind resistance starts becoming the load. I would also
> re-think that state of tune. While it works short term for hatchbacks and
> sedans keeping that engine under sustained load/turbo boost is not good for
> long engine life or emissions. Also there is nothing in that transmission
> that will take that torque for any period of time. I would suggest the 4.57
> R/P with the ratios you already selected.
>
> Dennis
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf
> Of Jason
> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 2:37 PM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: 094 5 Speed Kit
>
> I was looking at using the following gear set:
>
> 4.13 final
> 4.11 1st
> 2.33 2nd
> 1.48 3rd
> 1.02 4th
> 0.70 5th
>
> This would make 1st a regular gear - which I have no issue modifying the
> lockout.  The shift pattern would be the same as my LT, which works well.
> The drop from 3-4 and 4-5 is about the same with this choice (1250 rpm).
> In fact the factory diesel 5 speed (DX) uses the same gear set with a
> 0.765 5th.  I'll be using a 2.0TDI with around 300 ft-lbs torque, so it
> should
> handle the .70 without issue.   Cruise at 70mph would be 2600 RPM with my
> current tires.
>
> There are a few threads on thesamba where people mention the Weddle kit,
> but no one has posted anything first hand.  I suspect GoWesty is using the
> Weddle gears to build their 094 5 speeds (
> http://www.gowesty.com/product-details.php?id=4332).   The 091/1 is
> essentially the same box as 094, making it easy to convert with the new
> gear set and end cap.  Add the diesel 50 degree bell housing, and I'd be
> good to go! (Albeit a few thousand lighter in the wallet...)   By the time
> I re-gear the 4 speed with a new R&P and 4th, I might as well do the 5
> speed I think.
>
> Jason
> Uberbus
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 1:58 PM, vw_van_fan_Mark <madvws@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > If you expect to use 1st a lot then you may want to remove the need to
> > push down to clear the lockout. If you go with the 4.13 then more 1st
> > use is probably where you will be.
> >
> > Don has the odd early diesel 5 speed gearing, with his 5th about the
> > same as an ordinary 4spd wbx 4th gear. His 1st is much lower than the
> > wbx 1st so he seldom needs it and uses 2nd instead. That early 5 speed
> > was meant for the 48hp early 1.6 diesel engine.
> >
> > Your proposal to combine the tallest 5th option with the tallest r&p
> > option means you should expect to have to drop down a gear more often
> > so you may want to move 4th taller as well so the jump isn't so great
> > between 4th and 5th.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > Jason wrote:
> >
> >> This page shows the available ratios:
> >> https://weddleindustries.com/products/new-products/new-vw-094-5-speed
> >> -kit
> >>
> >> Looks like a viable option.  I've read it moves 1st down past the
> >> lockout though.  I'd have to modify my shifter since that would drive
> me nuts.
> >>
> >> Jason
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Dec 26, 2016, at 8:49 PM, Jason <uberhare@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I am looking to build a 5 speed for a TDI conversion.   Does anyone
> have
> >>>> experience with the Weddle 094 5 speed kit?  4.13 final with 0.70
> >>>> 5th
> >>>>
> >>> would
> >>>
> >>>> be nice!  Since I have to regear a transmission anyways, this may
> >>>> be a
> >>>>
> >>> good
> >>>
> >>>> route:
> >>>>
> >>>> https://weddleindustries.com/products/1000157/1005442
> >>>>
> >>>> Jason
> >>>> Uberbus
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
>
>
>