

| Subject: | Re: 094 5 Speed Kit Diesel Conversions |
| From: | Roy Nicholl |
| Date: | Wed, 4 Jan 2017 18:16:02 -0400 |
Jason: If that is what you wish to accomplish, why not swap the tranny for the flipped Passat tranny … there’s a project thread or two on Brickyard or Samba about the conversion. > On 03-Jan-2017, at 18:39, Jason <uberhare@GMAIL.COM> wrote: > > Even with the tuning peak torque still seems to be coming in around > 2000-2200 RPM. I've been driving a Passat with the same engine for 4 years > now, so I'm pretty comfy with the performance level. I've also towed quite > a bit with it (2500-3500 lbs) and still cruises nicely at @ 2200 rpm > heavily loaded (6 speed manual conversion). Even putting another Passat > wagon on the car dolly (3500 lbs + 3500 lbs) cruised fine at 2200-2400 rpm > on the highway. My cargo trailer is 8 feet tall, the mileage suffers > heavily but my cruise speed does not. > > I'm pretty confident the 4.14 will be ok, it's more longevity I'm concerned > about. It might just eat bearings every 4-5 years - which I could accept. > TDI's don't like the high revs as much as IDI's when it comes to fuel > mileage I've found. The Whitestar just did 500 miles last weekend and > cruised happily at 75-80mph the whole trip :) It's best highway Vanagon > I've owned yet, also the first one I've had oversized tires on (205-70-15). > It will be our summer time daily driver/highway cruiser and will likely > not get heavily loaded that often. If the TDI will cruise @ 2600/75mph > I'll be happy. If was going IDI or ALH I'd likely use the 4,57. > > Jason > Uberbus > > > > On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 11:18 AM, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@hotmail.com> > wrote: > >> My experience with the VW Diesels including the TDI is limited but I have >> seen them. Here in New York we follow the CARB and conversions of any type >> are restricted. We are not allowed any of the VW Diesel products from 2002 >> through 2006. We just don't see many Diesels here. >> >> As for your gearing choice I think you are going a bit too tall. The 300ft >> lbs is a high state of tune and that peak is around 2,400 rpm from what >> I've seen. As such I think you want to get near that torque peak just above >> 55-60 mph where wind resistance starts becoming the load. I would also >> re-think that state of tune. While it works short term for hatchbacks and >> sedans keeping that engine under sustained load/turbo boost is not good for >> long engine life or emissions. Also there is nothing in that transmission >> that will take that torque for any period of time. I would suggest the 4.57 >> R/P with the ratios you already selected. >> >> Dennis >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf >> Of Jason >> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 2:37 PM >> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM >> Subject: Re: 094 5 Speed Kit >> >> I was looking at using the following gear set: >> >> 4.13 final >> 4.11 1st >> 2.33 2nd >> 1.48 3rd >> 1.02 4th >> 0.70 5th >> >> This would make 1st a regular gear - which I have no issue modifying the >> lockout. The shift pattern would be the same as my LT, which works well. >> The drop from 3-4 and 4-5 is about the same with this choice (1250 rpm). >> In fact the factory diesel 5 speed (DX) uses the same gear set with a >> 0.765 5th. I'll be using a 2.0TDI with around 300 ft-lbs torque, so it >> should >> handle the .70 without issue. Cruise at 70mph would be 2600 RPM with my >> current tires. >> >> There are a few threads on thesamba where people mention the Weddle kit, >> but no one has posted anything first hand. I suspect GoWesty is using the >> Weddle gears to build their 094 5 speeds ( >> http://www.gowesty.com/product-details.php?id=4332). The 091/1 is >> essentially the same box as 094, making it easy to convert with the new >> gear set and end cap. Add the diesel 50 degree bell housing, and I'd be >> good to go! (Albeit a few thousand lighter in the wallet...) By the time >> I re-gear the 4 speed with a new R&P and 4th, I might as well do the 5 >> speed I think. >> >> Jason >> Uberbus >> >> >> On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 1:58 PM, vw_van_fan_Mark <madvws@cox.net> wrote: >> >>> If you expect to use 1st a lot then you may want to remove the need to >>> push down to clear the lockout. If you go with the 4.13 then more 1st >>> use is probably where you will be. >>> >>> Don has the odd early diesel 5 speed gearing, with his 5th about the >>> same as an ordinary 4spd wbx 4th gear. His 1st is much lower than the >>> wbx 1st so he seldom needs it and uses 2nd instead. That early 5 speed >>> was meant for the 48hp early 1.6 diesel engine. >>> >>> Your proposal to combine the tallest 5th option with the tallest r&p >>> option means you should expect to have to drop down a gear more often >>> so you may want to move 4th taller as well so the jump isn't so great >>> between 4th and 5th. >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> Jason wrote: >>> >>>> This page shows the available ratios: >>>> https://weddleindustries.com/products/new-products/new-vw-094-5-speed >>>> -kit >>>> >>>> Looks like a viable option. I've read it moves 1st down past the >>>> lockout though. I'd have to modify my shifter since that would drive >> me nuts. >>>> >>>> Jason >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Dec 26, 2016, at 8:49 PM, Jason <uberhare@GMAIL.COM> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I am looking to build a 5 speed for a TDI conversion. Does anyone >> have >>>>>> experience with the Weddle 094 5 speed kit? 4.13 final with 0.70 >>>>>> 5th >>>>>> >>>>> would >>>>> >>>>>> be nice! Since I have to regear a transmission anyways, this may >>>>>> be a >>>>>> >>>>> good >>>>> >>>>>> route: >>>>>> >>>>>> https://weddleindustries.com/products/1000157/1005442 >>>>>> >>>>>> Jason >>>>>> Uberbus >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>
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