

| Subject: | Re: Time Delay LED Lighting Circuit |
| From: | Alistair Bell |
| Date: | Tue, 1 Aug 2017 18:17:26 -0700 |
If I had found a cap the size listed on the diagram I would have breadboarded the circuit. And if I hadn't collapsed with the heat here, and the cocktail, I would have tried with the 3300 microfarad cap I do have. Maybe in the cool of the morning Alistair > On Aug 1, 2017, at 4:51 PM, David Beierl <dbeierl@ATTGLOBAL.NET> wrote: > > I perhaps should add that LEDs by their nature require a current-limited > supply, either by the internal resistance of the battery/power supply, an > in-line resistor, or active electronic limiting. Like any diode, once they > reach the voltage where they begin to conduct (~1.8V to 4+V for various > types) they will pass drastically increasing current for small increases in > drive voltage. > > I just tested three random 5 mm LEDs from a Chinese bulk supplier -- one > red, one blue, and one white (which is actually a blue LED with a yellow > phosphor covering the chip). LEDs like these are typically rated for 20 > mA, and after my test these had permanently changed characteristics from > overdriving. I tested at current levels of .06, 0.6, 6, 20, 60, and 120 > mA. Voltages were as follows: > > Red: 1.6617, 1.7765, 1.9425, 2.0769, 2.1300, 2.0100. These values were > higher than I expected, typically red LEDs run around 1.8v at a few mA. > Note the falloff at the highest current, as the LED was being damaged. > > Blue: 2.4917, 2.6055, 2.9003, 3.2820, 3.6830, 3.9600. A second sample from > the same bag was closer to 2.1V at .06 mA (not tested further). > > White: 2.5639, 2.6904, 3.0303, 3.3745, 3.6960, 3.9125. > > I would expect higher-powered LEDs to have a more rapid current increase > per voltage change, but I haven't tested any as all the ones I have are > installed with driver circuits. > > My test rig was a variable 0-15V supply in series with a 2K ten-turn > wirewound potentiometer. I varied both voltage and resistance as > convenient to get the desired currents. > > Yrs, > d > >> On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 11:17 PM, Neil N <musomuso@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Ironically I was outside taking apart, putting together, taking apart >> a fog light switch. Who knew a later style dual bulb fog switch would >> be in my '81 air cooled? Long story. Anyhow.... >> >> Great to see the replies. I will read them! >> >>> On 7/31/17, David Beierl <dbeierl@attglobal.net> wrote: >>> >>> With the given values and a two-watt festoon bulb, the cap has enough >>> energy to supply the lamp for a third of a second at full brightness. In >>> practice it would fade down over a longer time, maybe a second? >>> >>> Yrs, >>> d >>> >> >> -- >> Neil n >> >> Blog: Vanagons, Westfalia, general <http://tubaneil.blogspot.ca> >> >> 1988 Westy Images <https://picasaweb.google.com/musomuso/New1988Westy> >> >> 1981 Westfalia "Jaco" Images, technical <http://tubaneil.googlepages.com/> >> >> Vanagon-Bus VAG Gas Engine Swap Group <http://tinyurl.com/khalbay> >>
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