

| Subject: | Re: Oil heat exchanger fail.. more |
| From: | Don Hanson |
| Date: | Tue, 24 Oct 2017 10:02:15 -0700 |
The pressure of the WBX "blue cap" is lower than the sedans' caps. Coolant system for the Vanagon seems more than adequate for my ABA 2 liter, despite it being a high performance, high compression hybrid. Very different characteristics from a boxer.. The oil does get hot, hauling a heavy boxy Vanagon rather than a little Rabbit, but the coolant stays cool, till you mix it with oil..grin. ... On Oct 24, 2017 9:42 AM, "Dennis Haynes" <d23haynes57@hotmail.com> wrote: > The operation of those engines in a Vanagon will be somewhat different > than in the sedans they are usually used in. There is also a large > difference in oil temperature and pressure characteristics in the inline > engines compared to a Waterboxer. Oil temps reaching 210F or even an > occasional peak to 230 is no cause for alarm. As for oil pressure > 10psi/1000 rpm is plenty and excess pressure just represents additional > parasitic power losses. > > Of course everyone that has had an oil cooler failure will post at how > unreliable they are. There simply isn't a 100 percent failure rate unless > something is wrong. Yes they sometimes fail but so do tires and we are > giving up on them yet. > > I for one do like to replace them with a direct to air cooling system, an > external oil cooler. In addition to eliminating the oil to coolant failure > issue properly done this type of system increases overall heat rejections > and removes the oil heat load from the cooling system. Keep in mind that > the addition of these systems also have their own need for maintenance and > bring other failure opportunities. > > Dennis > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf > Of Don Hanson > Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2017 9:48 AM > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM > Subject: Re: Oil heat exchanger fail.. more > > In my application the standard factory oil heat exchanger lowers my oil > operating temperature appx 15, 20 f at highway speed. (15/40 oil) That > cooler operating temperature (typically about 190f) also holds the oil > pressure around 60psi at 3200rpms.... > After I swapped engine block to a 93 ABA Jetta 2.0 liter, I ran for a > couple of weeks without the factory cooler, the way the 1.8l Cabriolet > inline motor came from Vw, and I was seeing about 210f at speed. A major > highway climb at speed was causing the oil to hit 230f, and at that > temperature, the operative oil pressure did not please me. I re-used the > ABA cooler from the donor motor. Now, the oil temperature stays good, but > INTERNET rap says the factory coolers often fail..and the rap was right, I > think. > At least now I have an excuse to replace the coolant hoses now. I > have run a few hundred miles with the coolant lines to the factory cooler > connected... Nothing bad happens, other than less cooling, that I could see. > Finding hoses to route coolant to the 1.8l head (and the cooler) I > have on my hybrid inline, that required some creative routing... > > > On Oct 24, 2017 5:17 AM, "Mbob1950" <mbob1950@gmail.com> wrote: > > > What is the best way to eliminate the cooler? I was thinking of > > removing it and connecting the coolant hoses together. Any downside to > that setup? > > > > Thanks > > > > Bob McCullough > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > > > From: Neil N <musomuso@GMAIL.COM> > > > Date: October 23, 2017 at 22:46:50 CDT > > > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM > > > Subject: Re: Oil heat exchanger fail.. more > > > Reply-To: Neil N <musomuso@GMAIL.COM> > > > > > > Sure sounds like a messy job. > > > > > > Did you buy that 2 year old cooler new? Sounds like you put a lot of > > miles > > > on it? > > > > > > I guess I was lucky. The O ring on my oil cooler had started leaking > > > so upon inspection of the cooler, noticed it was starting to craze > > > or crack > > a > > > little. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 8:08 PM, Don Hanson <dhanson928@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > ...... > > > > > > > > > > > >> I was hoping all the posts about the VW and the weak oil cooler > > >> was wrong....but mine, about two years old, went out too...When I > > >> get a > > chance, > > >> I'll be taking that out and making a better setup... 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