Can't get away from baby necessities.

On Jan 6, 2018 7:59 PM, "Roy Nicholl" <RNicholl@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote:

> Many years ago when my wife first travelled in the ’66 Westy (even less
> space), she packed 3-bags of stuff … I asked her to pick one, then put the
> other two back in the apartment.   From that point forward only one bag was
> ever packed for a trip …. until there was a baby :-|
>
> > On 06-Jan-2018, at 21:51, Ralph Meyermann <ralphmeyermann@GMAIL.COM>
> wrote:
> >
> > I just found it was handy having the ability to store some tools/jack,
> > small spare parts in the clamshell area rather than taking up needed
> space
> > taking a 12yr old girl and the GF on a 12 day trip. Why do they have to
> > pack so much unnecessary stuff! 3 pillows and 2 pillows, multiple
> > bags...... Keep it simple/minimal ladies ;-)
> >
> > On Jan 6, 2018 6:48 PM, "Alistair Bell" <albell@shaw.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> Hey Stuart,
> >>
> >> I know the vid, and have read a fair bit on the vanagon chassis
> structure
> >> and the built in crash absorption ( you know what I mean ) design.
> >>
> >> I believe also that some 16” Syncros had a different front carrier where
> >> the spare tire usually is and that vw did make a rear mounted tire
> carrier.
> >> Those facts and the lack of warnings in the owner’s manual about having
> a
> >> spare in the front carrier at all times leads me to believe the spare up
> >> front is not a designed part of the crash structure.
> >>
> >> But I’m still keeping open mind, I’d like to hear about any vw produced
> >> data stating the spare is needed in place up front.
> >>
> >> Alistair
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Jan 6, 2018, at 4:37 PM, <stuartmacm@gmail.com> <
> stuartmacm@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I think the spare tire idea came from this crash test video. See 1:20:
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO_AfCFQR2M  This video explains the
> >> front absorption zone structure and the reinforcing in the front and in
> the
> >> doors, and doesn't show a spare tire. The Vanagon is pretty safe, except
> >> for the lack of an air bag. Also see 1:20:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?
> >> v=Iwa9vdq8dvw
> >>>
> >>> Stuart
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On
> Behalf
> >> Of Alistair Bell
> >>> Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 1:58 PM
> >>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> >>> Subject: Re: Clamshell toolbox
> >>>
> >>> I have to think that it doesn’t have any real effect on crash
> >> worthiness. It seems like poor design by vw to have a removable item
> being
> >> important to crash protection.
> >>>
> >>> Poor design is an understatement, the legal liability issue is obvious.
> >>>
> >>> Alistair
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Jan 6, 2018, at 1:53 PM, Ralph Meyermann <ralphmeyermann@gmail.com
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I figure a tool box filled with tools is better than no tire at all.
> >> Safer that a propane tank I'd think.
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Jan 6, 2018 3:26 PM, "Alistair Bell" <albell@shaw.ca> wrote:
> >>>>> You have any documentation backing this up? It’s interesting subject,
> >> perhaps the owners  manual has big warnings in it saying that spare
> must be
> >> in place all the time?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Haven’t seen those warnings but maybe you have. Not being snarky, I
> >> truly would like to see the documentation.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Alistair
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Jan 6, 2018, at 12:34 PM, Stacy Schneider <vwcrewman@GMAIL.COM>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I would not drive a van without a spare tire up front. The tire is
> >> part of the crash worthiness of these vans.
> >>>>>> I want all the protection I can get. Even if you have a rear mounted
> >> tire you can always leave the stock wheel in place.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>                         Stacy
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Jan 6, 2018, at 11:13 AM, Ralph Meyermann <
> >> ralphmeyermann@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> No pics yet, I have some of my original adapted one. The refined
> >>>>>>> version should be lighter/cleaner looking and seal out the
> >>>>>>> elements better. Weight depends on how much tools/parts you cram
> >>>>>>> inside. Mine got kinda heavy for the 12day 3k mile West coast trip
> >> and back.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Jan 6, 2018 1:09 PM, "Chris S" <szpejankowski@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I like the idea. Extra diesel fuel tank? My thought is that
> >>>>>>>> anything heavy in spare tire cavity will be difficult to close.
> Got
> >> pics?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Chris
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Wiadomość napisana przez Ralph Meyermann
> >>>>>>>>> <ralphmeyermann@GMAIL.COM> w
> >>>>>>>> dniu 06.01.2018, o godz. 10:34:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Howdy Volks.  After going with a rear spare tire carrier, I was
> >>>>>>>>> pondering what to do with that available space. I ended up
> >>>>>>>>> adapting my home made larger clamshell/tire carrier into a
> >> toolbox. I found it handy.
> >>>>>>>> Currently I
> >>>>>>>>> took it to my machine/Fab shop guys to make a refined
> >> design/prototype.
> >>>>>>>>> Roughly 27"x 27" the front of it has 45° angles on the sides and
> >> 7"
> >>>>>>>> tall.
> >>>>>>>>> The first quote was $211.  I went downs and verified a few
> >>>>>>>>> design aspects including a better sealing surface for the lid and
> >> how it fastens down.
> >>>>>>>> The
> >>>>>>>>> first one/prototype is currently being built. Looking at
> >>>>>>>>> $211-$250 final cost from machine shop, I don't know what
> >>>>>>>>> shipping or anything could be yet. Hopefully It'll be what I
> >>>>>>>>> envision and be able to have them
> >>>>>>>> available
> >>>>>>>>> for those with alternative spare tire carriers. Storage is worth
> >>>>>>>>> it's weight in gold, Westy or tin top.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>
>
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