I had a 73/74 van with the 1800 pancake engine.   Dual carbs which were really fiddly for balancing on idle.  However it was the best of the air-cooled  that I had from 58 KGhia, 60 beetle, 64 squareback, 70 bay window.   It was a panel van that I converted into a near westfalia with the gear from a rusted out westy minus the pop top.  Was a great traveling van, kids loved the table and bed, kept the boredom levels under control:)

Ted

Theodore Hoekman
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On May 2, 2018, at 11:11 AM, Edward Maglott <emaglott3@GMAIL.COM> wrote:

> I think the 912 always had the 4 cylinder derived from the 356.  Same basic
> form factor as the VW flat 4s but a much higher performance animal.
> 
> The best air cooled van I had was a '71.  I took it on a 11,000 mile 8 week
> trip around the US and southern Canada when I was 21.  It had one of those
> hot rod "009" centrifugal advance distributors and a header.  I bought it
> for $700 in 1985.  I believe on that trip I averaged about 22 mpg.  it was
> a sportsmobile camper conversion which was quite functional.
> 
> If anybody reading this thread would like to buy my '86 westy, AT, 225k
> miles in good condition but not without its typical minor vanagon flaws for
> $6500, p-mail me.  I really want it to go to someone who knows all about
> vanagons.  I just realized why I've been slow to sell it and wanting a
> "vanagon-expert" buyer to get it.  Realization comes having written the
> above paragraph about the '71.  After that big cross country trip I went
> away to college and my parents sold the van to neighbors down the street.
> 6 months later I was home and talked to them, noticing the van was not in
> their driveway.  They had been driving it and the generator light had come
> on.  "Old wiring" they thought and kept on going.  The fan belt had broken
> and they destroyed that engine I had loved and babied all across the
> continent.  I was so sad.  I don't want something like that to happen to my
> vanagon which I have similarly loved and babied.
> 
> Edward
> 
> On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 10:30 PM, KI4TLF <ki4tlf@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> You�re right.
>> 
>> That�s what I get for doing it from memory. J
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> GregM
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Pat Spragge [mailto:spraggepat@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2018 8:16 PM
>> To: KI4TLF
>> Cc: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>> Subject: Re: 1971 on Bring a Trailer for sale
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Type 4 was used in the Porsche 911.
>> 
>> Believe it was the 912 which was a 4 cylinder...same as the 914.
>> 
>> 
>> On May 1, 2018, at 6:02 PM, KI4TLF <ki4tlf@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>> 
>> There are 2 engines that came in the VW Van's from the factory,  type 1
>> which is the upright Beetle engine and type 4 which is the Porsche designed
>> pancake style from 411 series sedans.  The Type 4 was used in the Porsche
>> 911.
>> The type 1 came from 1100 to 1600 cc's and the type 4 was 1700-2000 cc's.
>> The type 4 changeover was in 1972 models.
>> 
>> GregM
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf
>> Of Tom Buese
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2018 12:36 PM
>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>> Subject: Re: 1971 on Bring a Trailer for sale
>> 
>> Yes, but VW came out w/ a pancake engine in the early 60�s for their Type
>> 3 cars such as Squarebacks, Notches, Fastbacks, etc.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 1, 2018, at 1:11 PM, Steven Johnson <sjohnso2000@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The later version better known as the "pancake" engine or configuration.
>> 
>> As Jim said, they
>> 
>> are all flat 4 engines.   The earlier better known as the "upright"
>> 
>> configuration.  The change
>> 
>> to the pancake engine came in later 1971 or 1972 there abouts....
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Steven
>> 
>> 91 Westy
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 12:33 PM, Jim. Felder <jim.felder@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I **think** "upright engine" refers to the fan layout (vertical fan and
>> 
>> blower housing) and not the cylinder layout (flat four for all VW
>> 
>> air-cooled). I know my 69 had the "traditional" layout with the vertical
>> 
>> fan attached to an alternator, like a beetle. Later buses had the flat fan.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 11:27 AM ddbjorkman@verizon.net <
>> 
>> ddbjorkman@verizon.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> There's a flat four in this beast, according to the seller.  A
>> 
>> replacement, no doubt.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Dave B.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> 
>> From: Roy Nicholl <RNicholl@NBNET.NB.CA>
>> 
>> To: vanagon <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>> 
>> Sent: Mon, Apr 30, 2018 12:05 pm
>> 
>> Subject: Re: 1971 on Bring a Trailer for sale
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> One of my favourite bread box years �. you still have the upright engine,
>> 
>> but have disk brakes on the front.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 30-Apr-2018, at 12:09, Roger Whittaker <rogerwhitt1@GMAIL.COM>
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>> wrote:
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>> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1971-volkswagen-bus-3/
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