| Subject: | Re: 1971 on Bring a Trailer for sale |
| From: | Stephen Grisanti |
| Date: | Wed, 2 May 2018 12:09:51 -0400 |
Don't get those Sube-powered plane guys started. Stephen Mobile > On May 2, 2018, at 11:54 AM, Roger Whittaker <rogerwhitt1@GMAIL.COM> wrote: > > A family tree - >?? Oh yes like European Royalty - > The german cousin married to the russian father in law whose mother is my > second step sister twice removed from my uncles house - > And once in a dory > > oh - and by the way -- > This list and most boat orientated lists are the only two places where i > have seen an item offered for sale turn into a discussion about the 17 > different ways that item was powered or refitted for power and which one > was best -- maybe aircraft guys talk like this too - i do not know ... > Regards > >> On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 8:42 AM, Pat Spragge <spraggepat@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Porsche/Volkswagen reads like a “family tree”... >> Beetle engine case to 356 engine to 356 Carrera then back to 912 then 914 >> 4 cyl then back to 912E then a halt to the 4 cyl air cooled boxer to the >> 924, 928, 944 etc. >> >>> On May 2, 2018, at 8:11 AM, Edward Maglott <emaglott3@GMAIL.COM> wrote: >>> >>> I think the 912 always had the 4 cylinder derived from the 356. Same >> basic >>> form factor as the VW flat 4s but a much higher performance animal. >>> >>> The best air cooled van I had was a '71. I took it on a 11,000 mile 8 >> week >>> trip around the US and southern Canada when I was 21. It had one of >> those >>> hot rod "009" centrifugal advance distributors and a header. I bought it >>> for $700 in 1985. I believe on that trip I averaged about 22 mpg. it >> was >>> a sportsmobile camper conversion which was quite functional. >>> >>> If anybody reading this thread would like to buy my '86 westy, AT, 225k >>> miles in good condition but not without its typical minor vanagon flaws >> for >>> $6500, p-mail me. I really want it to go to someone who knows all about >>> vanagons. I just realized why I've been slow to sell it and wanting a >>> "vanagon-expert" buyer to get it. Realization comes having written the >>> above paragraph about the '71. After that big cross country trip I went >>> away to college and my parents sold the van to neighbors down the street. >>> 6 months later I was home and talked to them, noticing the van was not in >>> their driveway. They had been driving it and the generator light had >> come >>> on. "Old wiring" they thought and kept on going. The fan belt had >> broken >>> and they destroyed that engine I had loved and babied all across the >>> continent. I was so sad. I don't want something like that to happen to >> my >>> vanagon which I have similarly loved and babied. >>> >>> Edward >>> >>>> On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 10:30 PM, KI4TLF <ki4tlf@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> You’re right. >>>> >>>> That’s what I get for doing it from memory. J >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> GregM >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Pat Spragge [mailto:spraggepat@gmail.com] >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2018 8:16 PM >>>> To: KI4TLF >>>> Cc: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM >>>> Subject: Re: 1971 on Bring a Trailer for sale >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The Type 4 was used in the Porsche 911. >>>> >>>> Believe it was the 912 which was a 4 cylinder...same as the 914. >>>> >>>> >>>> On May 1, 2018, at 6:02 PM, KI4TLF <ki4tlf@GMAIL.COM> wrote: >>>> >>>> There are 2 engines that came in the VW Van's from the factory, type 1 >>>> which is the upright Beetle engine and type 4 which is the Porsche >> designed >>>> pancake style from 411 series sedans. The Type 4 was used in the >> Porsche >>>> 911. >>>> The type 1 came from 1100 to 1600 cc's and the type 4 was 1700-2000 >> cc's. >>>> The type 4 changeover was in 1972 models. >>>> >>>> GregM >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf >>>> Of Tom Buese >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2018 12:36 PM >>>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM >>>> Subject: Re: 1971 on Bring a Trailer for sale >>>> >>>> Yes, but VW came out w/ a pancake engine in the early 60’s for their >> Type >>>> 3 cars such as Squarebacks, Notches, Fastbacks, etc. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On May 1, 2018, at 1:11 PM, Steven Johnson <sjohnso2000@GMAIL.COM> >> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The later version better known as the "pancake" engine or configuration. >>>> >>>> As Jim said, they >>>> >>>> are all flat 4 engines. The earlier better known as the "upright" >>>> >>>> configuration. The change >>>> >>>> to the pancake engine came in later 1971 or 1972 there abouts.... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Steven >>>> >>>> 91 Westy >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 12:33 PM, Jim. Felder <jim.felder@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I **think** "upright engine" refers to the fan layout (vertical fan and >>>> >>>> blower housing) and not the cylinder layout (flat four for all VW >>>> >>>> air-cooled). I know my 69 had the "traditional" layout with the vertical >>>> >>>> fan attached to an alternator, like a beetle. Later buses had the flat >> fan. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Jim >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 11:27 AM ddbjorkman@verizon.net < >>>> >>>> ddbjorkman@verizon.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> There's a flat four in this beast, according to the seller. A >>>> >>>> replacement, no doubt. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Dave B. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> >>>> From: Roy Nicholl <RNicholl@NBNET.NB.CA> >>>> >>>> To: vanagon <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> >>>> >>>> Sent: Mon, Apr 30, 2018 12:05 pm >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: 1971 on Bring a Trailer for sale >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> One of my favourite bread box years …. you still have the upright >> engine, >>>> >>>> but have disk brakes on the front. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 30-Apr-2018, at 12:09, Roger Whittaker <rogerwhitt1@GMAIL.COM> >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1971-volkswagen-bus-3/ >>>> >>>> ?utm_source=dailymail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2018-04-30 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> roger whittaker 604.414.6266 <(604)%20414-6266> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> PR MARINE SURVEYORS & >>>> >>>> http://www.tvthatworks.com >>>> >>>> http://www.tvpowellriver.com >>>> >>>> LinkedIn - >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> - ca.linkedin.com/pub/roger-whittaker/14/78a/b71/Explore printed >>>> >>>> work >>>> >>>> at: >>>> >>>> http://www.prliving.ca/ >>>> >>>> View the growing list of video work at: >>>> >>>> http://www.youtube.com/user/LastonLastof#g/u >>>> >>>> http://vimeo.com/42309497 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.prpeak.com/articles/2010/11/29/multimedia/video/ >>>> >>>> doc4c62e5f80d228504902172.txt >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> > > > > -- > roger whittaker 604.414.6266 > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > PR MARINE SURVEYORS & > http://www.tvthatworks.com > http://www.tvpowellriver.com > LinkedIn - > > - ca.linkedin.com/pub/roger-whittaker/14/78a/b71/Explore printed work at: > http://www.prliving.ca/ > View the growing list of video work at: > http://www.youtube.com/user/LastonLastof#g/u > http://vimeo.com/42309497 > > http://www.prpeak.com/articles/2010/11/29/multimedia/video/doc4c62e5f80d228504902172.txt
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