Thanks for your suggestions.  I'll take a look at what it will take to get
the tranny out and back in.

Tom Stone, temporarily in Florida

On June 22, 2018 4:28:46 PM Stuart MacMillan <stuartmacm@GMAIL.COM> wrote:

> Well, if it won’t turn 360 with the starter off it’s time to pull the
> tranny. It’s something in the bell housing jamming the TC or flex plate, or
> even something inside the engine. 😕
>
> Stuart
>
>> On Jun 22, 2018, at 12:29 PM, Tom Stone <tstone8359@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> I took the starter out and spun the engine by hand as far as it would go.
>> Other than some shiny teeth, probably from the starter misalignment, I
>> didn't see any major damage.  The ring gear is pretty hefty.  How can I see
>> the rest of the ring gear and what would damage that would stop engine
>> rotation look like?
>>
>> Tom Stone, temporarily in Florida
>>
>>> On June 22, 2018 14:19:25 Tom Stone <tstone8359@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I took the plugs out and tried to turn the engine by hand in both
>>> directions.  It stopped in the same places.  I removed or disconnected all
>>> of the components connected to the engine yesterday.  They all spun freely,
>>> but the engine would not.  I will pull the starter off again and inspect
>>> the ring gear.  Thanks for the suggestion.
>>>
>>> Tom Stone, temporarily in Florida
>>>
>>>> On June 22, 2018 14:00:55 "Stuart MacMillan" <stuartmacm@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Are you using your hands on the pulley (or belt) to turn over the engine,
>>>> which should be fairly easy with plugs out, or the starter? If you can turn
>>>> the engine around fully by hand but not with the starter, you have a badly
>>>> damaged ring gear on the torque converter.  Probably happened when the
>>>> starter mount was broken due to misalignment.
>>>>
>>>> Stuart
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com> On Behalf Of Dennis
>>>> Haynes
>>>> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2018 10:35 AM
>>>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>>> Subject: Re: Engine Puzzlememt
>>>>
>>>> Short bolt bottom of starter?
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my Windows 10 phone
>>>>
>>>> From: Tom Stone<mailto:tstone8359@aol.com>
>>>> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2018 12:22 PM
>>>> To: Dennis Haynes<mailto:d23haynes57@hotmail.com>
>>>> Cc: vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com<mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
>>>> Subject: RE: Engine Puzzlememt
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Dennis and Jim.  I pulled the spark plugs and there were no fluids
>>>> inside the cylinders.  Manually turned engine to stop point in both
>>>> directions.  It stops in the same places.  I checked all three torque
>>>> converter bolts.  All seem tight.  Going to remove some exhaust pieces to
>>>> verify.
>>>>
>>>> Since the last change made to the engine was the installation of the starter
>>>> long bolt, I am looking for some kind of obstruction in that area.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your always helpful suggestions.
>>>>
>>>> Tom Stone, temporarily in Florida.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On June 21, 2018 19:08:09 Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Look for a loose torque converter bolt. One of the three between converter
>>>> and flex plate or something fell in there. Also, if multiple tries to crank
>>>> engine the cylinders could be locked up with gasoline. Remove the spark
>>>> plugs and check.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dennis
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my Windows 10 phone
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Tom Stone<mailto:tstone8359@AOL.COM>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 6:01 PM
>>>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM<mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>>>> Subject: Engine Puzzlememt
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Working on my son's '91 Westy Automatic. New engine from the guy that took
>>>> over Boston Bob's business. It was installed and running. The starter had
>>>> been installed with only the short bolt which had loosened. The starter lost
>>>> ground and would only work intermittently. Then the bolt ear broke. I got a
>>>> new starter and the long bolt and installed it with both bolts. Now the
>>>> engine will only rotate to a certain point and stop. I can manually turn the
>>>> engine backwards and it stops turning at just before the stop point. I took
>>>> the starter off and ran it. I took the belts off the P/S pump, the
>>>> alternator and the water pump (A/C not connected) and they all turn freely.
>>>> I took the valve covers off and without being able to rotate the engine,
>>>> visually checked for a valve stem in each keeper. I am at a loss for what to
>>>> look at next and what might have happened.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Any ideas?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tom Stone, temporarily in FL where it is hot!
>>
>>
>>