

| Subject: | Re: Finding a short |
| From: | David Beierl |
| Date: | Sat, 13 Jul 2019 14:12:41 -0400 |
Electrical stuff works like hydraulics, but with electrons instead of hydraulic oil. It only works when there's a complete circuit, so that the electrons can get back to the battery. The specific laws are from Georg Simon Ohm: Volts = amps x ohms, and watts = volts x amps. These can be rearranged/decomposed to amps = volts/ohms, ohms = volts/amps, volts = watts/amps, amps = watts/volts, watts = amps^2 x ohms, and watts = volts^2 / ohms. Volts is pressure, measured between two points in a circuit. Hydraulic analalogy would be psi. Amp[ere]s is current flow through a circuit. One amp is a ridiculous number of electrons per second. Hydraulic analogy gallons per minute. Ohms is resistance to flow, causing a pressure drop. One volt will cause a current of one ampere to flow through a resistance of one ohm. These laws apply when conditions are steady, which in DC circuits they mostly are. It gets more complicated with AC circuits, or under transient conditions; but you mostly don't need to be concerned with that in the van. It also gets more complicated when chemistry is involved, like inside a battery. I won't get into that now. An open circuit (like opening a switch) makes everything stop. With no flow, no work can be done. A short circuit is a sneaky way for current to get back to the battery without going through the load. Short circuits blow fuses and/or let the magic smoke out of the wires. A poor connection increases total resistance in the circuit and thus reduces the overall power -- but some of that reduced power generates local heating at the point of the problem, which can melt wire insulation, melt sockets, cause false blowing of fuses, and such. Yrs, d On Sat, Jul 13, 2019 at 1:03 PM David Boan <dboan@outlook.com> wrote: > Dear Dennis, David and Alex; > > This was great. I have no idea what those laws are (I am a social > scientist by profession, this is all new to me), but I look forward to > learning more. > > In the meantime, I attached a 4 AWG cable from the ground of the accessory > battery (which is under the back seat) through the rear panel and to the > frame. Presto, problem solved. I still don't know why or how, but I will > do some reading. > > Now, the complete accessory setup looks like this, I have the 4 awg ground > to the chassis, a 6 AWG + cable to the accessory bus under the driver seat, > plus a 6 AWG ground to the same bus. Jay Brown suggested I would need at > least 6awg to that bus if I want to put headlights on it (which I have not > done yet). I also have a small bus on the cabinet panel opposite the water > tank and moving accessories in the back (water pump, plugs and rear lights) > to that bus to eliminate some of the wires going forward. > > Thanks again. Come to Boise and I'll buy the beer. > > Dave B > Boise > ------------------------------ > *From:* David Beierl <dbeierl@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Saturday, July 13, 2019 8:55 AM > *To:* David Boan > *Cc:* vanagonlist a; alex@mevay.org > *Subject:* Re: Finding a short > > What Alex said. You have an open ground on the house battery. As soon as > you connect a load to it the positive terminal floats at chassis ground > level, and the negative battery terminal is now -12V to chassis. > > Yrs, > d > > On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 2:03 PM David Boan <dboan@outlook.com> wrote: > > I am working on correcting a short in my accessory wiring, and while > making progress I have hit a plateau. I thought someone might have > experienced this and could save me much time searching ... > >
Have something to add on this topic today? Revive this thread in the forum »