I'd like to ask what the history of the heads/engine are?   How old?  Are
they
replacements from original?

Did anyone every doubt that Dennis would be spot on?

Thanks,

Steven
91 Westy

On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 3:49 PM Edward Maglott <emaglott3@gmail.com> wrote:

> Wow I am surprised that was the issue but it does make sense!  I hope not
> too much was damaged and you can just replace the pushrods and rocker
> assembly.
>
> hashtag never doubt dennis haynes
>
> Edward
>
> On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 3:29 PM Eric Caron <ericcaron96@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Listers,
> >
> > More useful info in diagnostics.
> >
> > Today with Art’s help we checked over the engine.
> >
> > Then, we checked fuel Pressure, 40 PSI.
> >
> > Then we ran the engine and Art pulled off a spark plug. Engine died,
> > started again and pulled off next plug, engine died.  Then started again
> > and pulled next plug, engine kept running the same.  Then the next plug
> as
> > well, engine kept running the same.
> >
> > So only two cylinders running.
> >
> > We then tested the driver’s side injectors, both are firing.  Gas
> sprayed.
> > And we had spark on all plugs.
> >
> > Next Art pulled the valve cover.
> >
> > The sound Art made once he could look up there was not good.
> >
> > A nut was off the rocker assembly, another was almost off, washer was in
> > pieces. Push rod assembly was broken, at least three push rods bent one
> > badly others mildly.
> >
> > I have a used good push rod assembly here to be cleaned up and installed
> > and also good new used push rods.  We won’t have time to assemble today
> but
> > I’d be grateful for thoughts and tips and recommendations about this
> > situation.
> >
> > Once we assemble we can do a compression test, I’m pretty sure we have
> > access to the gage.  Leakdown could be harder to do here.
> >
> > Still we are now making some progress in diagnosing the problem.
> >
> > Dennis gets points for sending us in the right direction.
> >
> > Keep the info coming.
> >
> > Eric Caron
> > 85 GL Auto
> >
> >
> > > On Jul 29, 2019, at 5:03 PM, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I mentioned the valves due to the valve train noise. Yes it is possible
> > ignition miss or even an injection problem. Not too long ago I had a
> > customer towed in no start. Got it started but only running on 2
> cylinders.
> > Turned out the harness was fried. Past fuel pump failure or some other
> > cause for a short circuit melted the wires in the FI harness. There is no
> > current protection for anything needed to run the engine, ignition fuel
> > pump, ECU, injectors etc.  It will try to run until it can't.
> > >
> > > Dennis
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Richard Smith <smirby@gmail.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, July 29, 2019 4:58 PM
> > > To: Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
> > > Cc: Eric Caron <ericcaron96@COMCAST.NET>
> > > Subject: Re: First ride of shame, fuel issue
> > >
> > > I know the focus has been on fuel (and now valves), but is it possible
> > that the spark is bad on one/two cylinders? I had a similar sound one
> time
> > when a rat (presumably) chewed a spark plug wire and it was only running
> on
> > 3 cylinders.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 2019-07-29, 1:51 PM, "Vanagon Mailing List on behalf of Dennis
> > Haynes" <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com on behalf of d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >    You need to pull the valve covers and make sure all the pushrods are
> > properly seated. Then turn the engine by hand (wrench) and have someone
> > make sure that al the valves are properly opening and closing. If so then
> > compression and leak down test. Sounds like 1 or 2 valves are stuck open.
> > If any of the push rods are loose they need to be pulled and checked for
> > bending. Yes, it happens. Any chance you got bad gas or gas mixed with
> > Diesel?
> > >
> > >    Dennis
> > >
> > >    -----Original Message-----
> > >    From: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com> On Behalf Of
> > Eric Caron
> > >    Sent: Monday, July 29, 2019 4:29 PM
> > >    To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > >    Subject: Re: First ride of shame, fuel issue
> > >
> > >    Hi Lister’s,
> > >
> > >    I’ve included a link to the sound of  engine running badly.  I’ve at
> > least gotten it to start and run poorly.  Maybe the sound will give some
> > hints.
> > >
> > >    It seems to surge and vibrate.
> > >
> > >    I have now changed the fuel filters.  And I check the AFM connector
> > and while they're put in a new air filter.
> > >
> > >    Van starts if I feather the gas.  Runs with careful feathering. Will
> > eventually idle but now surges and eventually stalls. Runs with
> vibration.
> > >
> > >    Some progress is being made but not sure where to look next.
> > >
> > >    I will have more skilled help later in the week. We will have a
> > multi meeter and a  gas pressure tester.
> > >
> > >    Tips appreciated.
> > >
> > >    Eric Caron
> > >    85 GL Auto
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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> > >
> > >
> > >> On Jul 28, 2019, at 5:55 PM, Dan N <dn92610@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> change the fuel filter AND the pressure regulator, check the TPS
> > (throttle body switch)
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 1:58 PM Eric Caron <ericcaron96@comcast.net
> > <mailto:ericcaron96@comcast.net>> wrote:
> > >> Significant update and  van still not drivable.
> > >>
> > >> Today, with the kind help of a fellow list member, my fuel pump was
> > replaced and now the van starts.
> > >>
> > >> Problem is now it is running very very rough and stalls unless foot is
> > held to give gas.
> > >>
> > >> It doesn’t start unless I pump the gas peddle.  Not what I expect from
> > this van as it starts usually with foot off the gas.
> > >>
> > >> Engine sounds very rough though it sounded good earlier this week.
> > >>
> > >> Today we could hear that in fact the old fuel pump was turning on but
> > it didn’t sound like it used to for the past 7 years.  It turned on and
> > vibrated but the sound was wrong.  We took off the fuel line in the
> engine
> > compartment and cycled the fuel pump a few times.  No fuel.
> > >>
> > >> Now we have fuel but the engine sounds terrible.  Starts hard with
> lots
> > of gas and runs rough.
> > >> I notice also more vibration than usual.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Only thing I can do is to change the filters to see if they are
> > restricting flow.
> > >>
> > >> Other ideas about what is going on are appreciated.
> > >>
> > >> Eric Caron
> > >> 85 GL Auto
> > >>
> > >
> >
>