| Subject: | Re: First ride of shame, fuel issue |
| From: | Eric Caron |
| Date: | Tue, 30 Jul 2019 16:21:58 -0400 |
Hi Steven, I don’t know the history of the heads, most likely replacement but I don’t know when. Dennis re torqued them and got rid of a head gasket leak. I have used parts all needed cost me $20.00 So, I might assemble and see what happens. If it runs well enough to get me a few more miles great. But it sure sounds like it is new engine time for me. I’ll be starting a new thread for recommendations! Eric > On Jul 30, 2019, at 4:03 PM, Steven Johnson <sjohnso2000@GMAIL.COM> wrote: > > I'd like to ask what the history of the heads/engine are? How old? Are > they > replacements from original? > > Did anyone every doubt that Dennis would be spot on? > > Thanks, > > Steven > 91 Westy > > On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 3:49 PM Edward Maglott <emaglott3@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Wow I am surprised that was the issue but it does make sense! I hope not >> too much was damaged and you can just replace the pushrods and rocker >> assembly. >> >> hashtag never doubt dennis haynes >> >> Edward >> >> On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 3:29 PM Eric Caron <ericcaron96@comcast.net> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Listers, >>> >>> More useful info in diagnostics. >>> >>> Today with Art’s help we checked over the engine. >>> >>> Then, we checked fuel Pressure, 40 PSI. >>> >>> Then we ran the engine and Art pulled off a spark plug. Engine died, >>> started again and pulled off next plug, engine died. Then started again >>> and pulled next plug, engine kept running the same. Then the next plug >> as >>> well, engine kept running the same. >>> >>> So only two cylinders running. >>> >>> We then tested the driver’s side injectors, both are firing. Gas >> sprayed. >>> And we had spark on all plugs. >>> >>> Next Art pulled the valve cover. >>> >>> The sound Art made once he could look up there was not good. >>> >>> A nut was off the rocker assembly, another was almost off, washer was in >>> pieces. Push rod assembly was broken, at least three push rods bent one >>> badly others mildly. >>> >>> I have a used good push rod assembly here to be cleaned up and installed >>> and also good new used push rods. We won’t have time to assemble today >> but >>> I’d be grateful for thoughts and tips and recommendations about this >>> situation. >>> >>> Once we assemble we can do a compression test, I’m pretty sure we have >>> access to the gage. Leakdown could be harder to do here. >>> >>> Still we are now making some progress in diagnosing the problem. >>> >>> Dennis gets points for sending us in the right direction. >>> >>> Keep the info coming. >>> >>> Eric Caron >>> 85 GL Auto >>> >>> >>>> On Jul 29, 2019, at 5:03 PM, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I mentioned the valves due to the valve train noise. Yes it is possible >>> ignition miss or even an injection problem. Not too long ago I had a >>> customer towed in no start. Got it started but only running on 2 >> cylinders. >>> Turned out the harness was fried. Past fuel pump failure or some other >>> cause for a short circuit melted the wires in the FI harness. There is no >>> current protection for anything needed to run the engine, ignition fuel >>> pump, ECU, injectors etc. It will try to run until it can't. >>>> >>>> Dennis >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Richard Smith <smirby@gmail.com> >>>> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2019 4:58 PM >>>> To: Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM> >>>> Cc: Eric Caron <ericcaron96@COMCAST.NET> >>>> Subject: Re: First ride of shame, fuel issue >>>> >>>> I know the focus has been on fuel (and now valves), but is it possible >>> that the spark is bad on one/two cylinders? I had a similar sound one >> time >>> when a rat (presumably) chewed a spark plug wire and it was only running >> on >>> 3 cylinders. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2019-07-29, 1:51 PM, "Vanagon Mailing List on behalf of Dennis >>> Haynes" <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com on behalf of d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> You need to pull the valve covers and make sure all the pushrods are >>> properly seated. Then turn the engine by hand (wrench) and have someone >>> make sure that al the valves are properly opening and closing. If so then >>> compression and leak down test. Sounds like 1 or 2 valves are stuck open. >>> If any of the push rods are loose they need to be pulled and checked for >>> bending. Yes, it happens. Any chance you got bad gas or gas mixed with >>> Diesel? >>>> >>>> Dennis >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com> On Behalf Of >>> Eric Caron >>>> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2019 4:29 PM >>>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM >>>> Subject: Re: First ride of shame, fuel issue >>>> >>>> Hi Lister’s, >>>> >>>> I’ve included a link to the sound of engine running badly. I’ve at >>> least gotten it to start and run poorly. Maybe the sound will give some >>> hints. >>>> >>>> It seems to surge and vibrate. >>>> >>>> I have now changed the fuel filters. And I check the AFM connector >>> and while they're put in a new air filter. >>>> >>>> Van starts if I feather the gas. Runs with careful feathering. Will >>> eventually idle but now surges and eventually stalls. Runs with >> vibration. >>>> >>>> Some progress is being made but not sure where to look next. >>>> >>>> I will have more skilled help later in the week. We will have a >>> multi meeter and a gas pressure tester. >>>> >>>> Tips appreciated. >>>> >>>> Eric Caron >>>> 85 GL Auto >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dropbox.com%2Fs%2Fmq4ziwkiunytwjh%2FVWBUS%25202.m4a%3Fdl%3D0&data=02%7C01%7C%7C33160eebdc324ede57a408d714676346%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637000306583069140&sdata=97kkKvjnYw5WfkahnZT5icykTJUHm5C9fbwmp46%2FnEg%3D&reserved=0 >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Jul 28, 2019, at 5:55 PM, Dan N <dn92610@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> change the fuel filter AND the pressure regulator, check the TPS >>> (throttle body switch) >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 1:58 PM Eric Caron <ericcaron96@comcast.net >>> <mailto:ericcaron96@comcast.net>> wrote: >>>>> Significant update and van still not drivable. >>>>> >>>>> Today, with the kind help of a fellow list member, my fuel pump was >>> replaced and now the van starts. >>>>> >>>>> Problem is now it is running very very rough and stalls unless foot is >>> held to give gas. >>>>> >>>>> It doesn’t start unless I pump the gas peddle. Not what I expect from >>> this van as it starts usually with foot off the gas. >>>>> >>>>> Engine sounds very rough though it sounded good earlier this week. >>>>> >>>>> Today we could hear that in fact the old fuel pump was turning on but >>> it didn’t sound like it used to for the past 7 years. It turned on and >>> vibrated but the sound was wrong. We took off the fuel line in the >> engine >>> compartment and cycled the fuel pump a few times. No fuel. >>>>> >>>>> Now we have fuel but the engine sounds terrible. Starts hard with >> lots >>> of gas and runs rough. >>>>> I notice also more vibration than usual. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Only thing I can do is to change the filters to see if they are >>> restricting flow. >>>>> >>>>> Other ideas about what is going on are appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> Eric Caron >>>>> 85 GL Auto >>>>> >>>> >>> >>
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