I've had a very positive experience with Gmail's SPAM filtering, but then
again I've been using it since the beginning, so my training data is large.
Every now and then I get a false positive, but by setting the sort field to
sender in the SPAM folder, those false positives jump right out.

If you would like to run Gmail without their anti-SPAM, I suspect this old
tip will still work:

 <https://c-command.com/spamsieve/help/turning-off-the-gmail-s>

FWIW,
-MB

On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 11:39 AM Michael A. Radtke <wa7zpu@5by9.net> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Most of us have agreed to let the spammers win.
>
> What I mean is that most of us have agreed to attempt to block spam
> instead of aggressively going after the spammers.
>
> Attempting to block spam doesn't work.  There are always false
> positives and false negatives.  That means that the receiver will still
> get some spam as well as miss some legitimate important messages.
>
> There are at least two methods your email provider is using to handle
> spam.  In some cases the suspected spam and a few of your legitimate
> messages are directed to a spam or junk folder.  At least you still can
> see those messages.
>
> Other messages your email provider is so sure are spam are just
> discarded.  No matter what your email provider tells you, you have no
> control nor record of these messages being deleted.  It is most likely
> this is what's happening to some of your missing vanagon list messages.
>
> I have been doing email for a very long time and I subscribe to the
> USPS model of having ALL of my incoming mail delivered.  That's the way
> it was in the early years.  Then spam filters became popular.  Finally
> spam filters became mandatory and largely controlled by the email
> provider.
>
> I have resisted, but like Hilary, to do that I have to run my own email
> server in order to see all of my mail.  And, I take the time to identify
> spammers and report them to the to the site administrators where they
> are being hosted.
>
> Not afraid to press the delete key,
> Mike
>
>
> ------------------------ Original Message ------------------------
> Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2020 13:01:59 -0500
> From: Karl Ploessl <karl.ploessl@GMAIL.COM>
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: Fixing the missing posts
>
>
> didn't receive any "Rescue squad" email. Not in the spam either. That is
> with my gmail account I see it in Digest mode (which I use a different
> email address for).
>
> Karl.
>
> On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 12:58 PM Mark McCulley <markmcculley@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Interesting. Dennis's hotmail account received the email but my gmail
> > account did not get it. It's not in my spam folder, I can find no trace
> of
> > it.
> >
> > Did anyone else that is using gmail receive Chris's email (subject was
> > "Rescue squad")?
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 9:48 AM Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Yes,
> > > I received it. As a thought the problem maybe the way the list sends it
> > > out. The list name and the "Behalf of" may trigger some spam filters.
> > Since
> > > most of us use some type of cloud service that service maybe filtering
> at
> > > some upper level. Once you do a response including that sender than you
> > are
> > > generally good to go. I see the problem mostly with unknown (to me)
> > > posters.
> > >
> > > Dennis
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com> On Behalf Of
> Mark
> > > McCulley
> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2020 12:13 PM
> > > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > > Subject: Re: Fixing the missing posts
> > >
> > > Did anyone get the email sent by Chris Snyder this morning? I see it on
> > > the archives but I did not receive it.
> > >
> > > -Mark
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 7:53 AM Eric Caron <ericcaron96@comcast.net>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi folks,
> > > >
> > > >         I’m no tech expert but I thought we might work together to be
> > > > sure Gerry is able to get the most messages to us.
> > > >
> > > > Is there anyone out there that is pretty confident they are not
> > > > missing some original posts?  It would be helpful to know what email
> > > > provider you are using.
> > > >
> > > > Also, If when we reply we remember to use reply to all, that will get
> > > > the messages to the entire list and not just the one person that gets
> > > > it if you simply use reply.
> > > >
> > > > I’m going to keep a eye out for emails that I don’t get from the
> > > > original sender and try to figure out the consistent thing that is
> > > > causing it to happen.
> > > >
> > > > I did get a improvement of less email going to junk when I changed my
> > > > subscription email from iCloud to Comcast.  I’m going to now work
> with
> > > > Gerry to set up another email subscription with a google address to
> > > > see if they act differently.
> > > >
> > > > Lets keep strong heading into 2020!
> > > >
> > > > I’m looking forward to a active vanagon year and will need you good
> > > > folks out there!
> > > >
> > > > Eric Caron
> > >
> >
>

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