Roger,

Thanks for the insights but wow that’s a lot of  caps key and caffeine.
There are a ton of assumptions (most negative sounding in nature). Maybe we
can have a conversation instead of trying to prove how wrong/stupid/naive
the rest of us are.

Cheers,
Harry

On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 10:21 PM Roger Whittaker <rogerwhitt1@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Dear Would be Logging Road Traveler
>
> I spent a number of years as safety manager for a builder of logging roads
> -
> On a logging road - ANY TIME  IS LOADED LOGGING TRUCK TIME -
>
> There are some who view these roads as free for all to use any time they
> want -
> This is not the case -
> Question # one - are your tires rated for stones and extra rough road -
> are all your joints and steering components greased -
> Question # two if you have a failure of any of  items can you get off road
> on your own power - so as not to block road -
> Question # three Who is your travel plan filed with - does cell phone work
> there or do you have a HOT SPOT with text capability -
> Question # Four - You know that AAA or CAA will not come and fetch you -
>
> A> In Canada very often the logging road will lead to - or cross an Indian
> Reservation and that First Nation may have jurisdictional sway over traffic
> flow and permissions to travel
> B> Nearly every logging road has a sign at the place where the Logging
> Road intersects highway - that sign will delineate behaviors to be followed
> on the road - during active haul times -
> ACTIVE HAUL TIMES ARE ANYTIME - even if the sign offers typical times -
> you could meet a truck coming 'DOWN LOADED' at any time - Lets say the
> logging roads active hours are 3 am to 3 pm monday to saturday - you
> arrive at road side at 5 pm saturday evening -
> 1. DO YOU have a radio that can be tuned to frequency used by haulers on
> that road?
> 2. DO YOU know for sure that every truck up Empty has Come down loaded ?
> 3. Do you have any way to announce your intention to travel up ?
> 4. Are Loaded Trucks your only concern ?
> 5. Do you know that the mechanics and service trucks have all booked off
> for the night and are safely off road ?
> 6. DO you know what a turn out on the road is for ?
> 7. DO YOU know if logger's ambulance is not heading out with injured
> workers - they typically DO NOT have sirens -
>
> THERE ARE SEVERAL SECTIONS Around here that are deemed LEFT HAND UP - LEFT
> HAND DOWN - does driver understand fully the consequence of not being on
> the proper side of the road??
> Then there is the idea of your own trailer -
> 1. If you have a trailer breakdown along the way does your vehicle have
> the ability to pull trailer off the road ?
> 2. if you are caught in a jackpot - not even your own jackpot - lets say a
> logging truck has left the road and you are held up from your desired
> camping spot while they extricate the upset truck - which may involve
> getting a load of heavy equipment (or two) past your rig - can you get your
> rig sufficiently off the road -- DO YOU KNOW HOW TO BACK UP YOUR RIG ?? DO
> YOU KNOW HOW TO BACK UP YOUR RIG IN THE DARK ? CAN YOU DO A THREE POINT
> REVERSE TURN WITH YOUR RIG ?? -- IF YOU ANSWER no TO ANY OF THESE - you
> should not be on Logging road with a rig -- and preferably you should be
> able to answer yes to all three questions - If you are answering no to any
> of these three questions you need to practice - Not a Joke !!
>
> More over if you are held up are you or your guests going to be idiots
> demanding that road be cleared to let you get on your way - (real world
> events - that happened to me ) more than once - and once during active
> blasting - had to get local law enforcement involved in that one -
> Along with that police or first responders may not have a clue where you
> are or how to get to you if you require rescue (do you have a GPS device )
> NOT A phone but a dedicated GPS -
>
> Second to that - what do you do when you reach a rope across road that has
> a sign remarking about active falling - or active blasting -
> DO YOU take rope down and continue because the sign is only to inform
> loggers and you are not a logger ???
> DO YOU Take rope down and leave it on the ground because it is after 3 PM
> on a Friday - the loggers can put it back when they come to work ?
> Do you know what blaster signals mean ?? do you know how close to the back
> of a logging truck you can travel to be outside the swing zone ?
>
> Sometimes two or three loaded trucks will head down and only the first one
> will call miles on the way down - the first one goes by and the haplass
> traveler pulls back onto road only to meet truck #2 head on - and yes this
> is a real world event that happened -
>
> One afternoon i was heading down - part way down i had that huge urge of
> nature calling right now - in only the way a rough and bouncy logging road
> can produce in the late afternoon -
> I stopped my pick up - I had not heard a call out on the radio -- but a
> little voice in my head told me to pull as far to the left as possible - so
> before exiting truck i did that - pulled my pick up off into a turn out -
> and let nature call - just as I was finishing that 'streaming episode' a
> loaded truck down roared past my location - I had no idea they were there -
> -
>
> on another occasion I was coming down and met a camper on way up - truck
> with camper and loaded with family kids and all - I let them know there was
> both active falling and active blasting on going that day - they told me
> not to mind about them as they were going up early to get a good spot - --
> They had no radio =--- with out telling them i radioed up to road channel
> that this ship of sillies was on the way into an active work area --
>
> Use abundant caution my friends when on logging roads - they are called
> logging roads due to the reason for creation - they are not called lets go
> camping roads
>
> AND I HAVE not even addressed the multitude of walkers - people on bikes -
> people on horses - or joe racing becky on ATV to see who gets to lake first
> -
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 11:00 AM Harry Hoffman <hhoffman@ip-solutions.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences and helpful guidance!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Harry
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 9:52 AM Harry Hoffman <hhoffman@ip-solutions.net>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Volks,
>> >
>> > I know several of you travel the logging roads for camping/exploring.
>> > Having just done this last week, for my first time, I was wondering if
>> > anyone has brought trailers along? The roads are really rough so I
>> > wasn't sure how well a trailer would handle the roads.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Harry
>>
>
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