

| Subject: | Re: Project Farm Battery Test Battery offering! |
| From: | Harry Hoffman |
| Date: | Sun, 2 Aug 2020 16:17:50 -0400 |
Dennis, There’s a guy (DIYvan) who does a similar setup for Ford Transits. I was really interested but looking at Renogy”s 200Ah battery it weighs in at an impressive 178 lbs (I believe). That’s a whole other passenger in terms of weight. Compare that with a LiFePO4 and there’s a huge difference in weight, longevity, and space. If you DIY your own LiFEPO4 (Will Prose YouTube) and you’re down to a similar cost. I realize that’s way off from what you were asking so apologies for meandering about in my email. Cheers, Harry On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 7:01 PM Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@hotmail.com> wrote: > Being experienced with batteries as I am there is also the issue of > charging strategy, particularly the AGM batteries. They tend to operate and > require different voltage current curves to truly strut their stuff and > they deliver higher voltage after rest. Still some of this agrees with my > experiences. > > Now for most of us this demo doesn’t offer much in the way of deep cycle > performance or longevity. And many of use give much more thought to how > much power can I carry for my fridge and heater than we care about > starting. > > That said peace vans used to offer an under van drop down battery tray. I > saw one on a customers van a few years ago and I just installed on a camper > with a 200 A/H Battery. Is an awesome combination and in driveway testing > van a Truck fridge easily for 4 days. Peace vans is no longer interested in > supplying these and I'm told I just purchased their last 2. I plan to use > one on Fun Bus. > > So here is the Friday question! Is there any interest in this type of set > up? They did a very nice stamping and powder coating which made it somewhat > expensive. I think I can fab of welded and painted plate. Or maybe aluminum > or Stainless Steel. It fits in the frame space by the sliding door and sits > at about the same height as the propane tank. If there is serious interest > I work on some fabrication options. > > Dennis > > https://1drv.ms/u/s!AqaEiIhKCAKbke1Yte9HPxMXRM6JhQ?e=njDgwx > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com> On Behalf Of David > McNeely > Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 5:10 PM > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM > Subject: Re: Project Farm Battery Test > > Thank you David. I see that I edited poorly. Where I wrote "standard > deviation," I should have written "standard error," once more. mcneely > > On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 2:00 PM David Boan <dboan@outlook.com> wrote: > > > What a refreshing response after seeing such a lack of critical > > thinking on much of social media. Thank you. > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com> on behalf of > > David McNeely <davmcneely40@GMAIL.COM> > > *Sent:* Friday, July 31, 2020 4:43 PM > > *To:* vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> > > *Subject:* Re: Project Farm Battery Test > > > > Well ......... . Anyone who knows anything about experimental design > > knows that this "experiment" is deeply flawed. Every time you measure > > something, the value you get is an estimate. It takes a series of > > measurements of each of a sample of items to give a mean value for > > items of that type. One measurement is not a fair estimate. > > Typically, in an experiment to compare two different sorts of things, > > one wants a mean value from measuring some > > 20 individuals of each sort. Then one can calculate a mean and > > standard error. Roughly, a large overlap in standard error would then > > suggest that the two sorts are no different from each other. No or a > > small overlap in standard deviation would suggest that the two sorts > > of things are different. It's a bit more complicated than that, but > that's the idea. > > Getting two different values from measuring one individual of each > > sort like was done in this "experiment" might be within experimental > error. > > Next time the experiment is done, the values might be reversed between > > the two sorts. Experimental design theory generally suggests that it > > takes 20 individual measurements, one measurement of each of 20 > > individuals, to give a fair estimate of the true mean value. > > > > Bottom line: Based on this "experiment," I do not know that one of > > the battery brands is better than another. In fact, if one Wal-Mart > > battery were compared with one "identical" other Wal-Mart battery, the > > same difference between the two as between the Wal-Mart and the > > Autozone battery might show up. > > > > You can take all this for whatever you deem it to be worth, just as I > > will take the "experiment" in the video for what I deem it to be worth. > > > > mcneely > > > > On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 10:56 AM Jack R <jack007@comcast.net> wrote: > > > > > Very educational. > > > > > > https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fww > > > w.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dh7rTcBanpMk&data=02%7C01%7C%7C9c7ed9 > > > bf114e4fad0f6608d83596416c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C > > > 0%7C637318266747359489&sdata=ziJKttGyAwreOdMkkdIQWs8tFDg%2FlbL%2 > > > BdNCsM%2BbzEzk%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting independent test of batteries > > > > > >
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