

| Subject: | Re: oil in coolant |
| From: | Ryan Cresawn |
| Date: | Thu, 15 Apr 2021 15:15:35 -0700 |
I appreciate everyone's replies. Dennis, you gave me a lot to think about. Thank you. I know it's been quite a while since I've provided an engine update. So here goes. I checked the compression following the instructions in the Bentley service manual and the results are disappointing. Cylinder #1 = 141 PSI Cylinder #2 = 126 PSI Cylinder #3 = 96 PSI Cylinder #4 = 136 PSI I have noticed that each year since 2017 when I have the emissions tested in Tucson that the CO% increases. I have read that oil burned in the combustion chamber due to worn piston rings and/or cylinders can cause excessive CO% in emissions. I doubt the Vanagon will pass the emissions test in August when it is due so I'm considering my options. What is the most likely cause of low compression in cylinder #3? I feel confident the overheating event is a factor. Thanks as always, Ryan On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 8:27 PM Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@hotmail.com> wrote: > So a few things. The reason that low coolant generates a red light in the > center of the gauge and loos of water pump/alternator drive turns on that > tred light is that both are critical failures which require an immediate > shut down as soon as it is safe to do so. As the temp gauge sensor is > mounted on a plastic housing and not as part of the head it relies on > coolant flowing in order for it to work. Even still it’s response is damped > both for speed and temp change indication. Simply put, once the water pump > stops turning the gauge will not rise until after you make steam and engine > damage is occurring. Driving 5 miles you have pulled studs, possibly > cracked or warped the heads and damaged the seal at the top of the > cylinders. > > > > In this condition the relief at the pressure cap just doesn’t have enough > capacity to vent all the pressure. The pin holes in the coolant loop are > due to excessive temperature and pressure. Consider that every hose and > plastic junction along with the radiator and heater cores have been exposed > to this trauma. My rule of thumb is continued operation after a cooling or > lubrication system failure cost $1K per mile until you need the tow truck > anyway. > > > > It is also likely that this event damaged the oil cooler so you may have > it passing oil into the coolant. If you don’t have the means to actually > test both sides under pressure just replace it. Also replace the thermostat > and if still plastic housing remove and inspect it for damage/cracking. > > > > For the belt failure most likely it was the water pump/alternator belt > that went first. The belts available just suck for this application and few > properly tension them. This belt drive is very poorly designed and it > frequently fails. > > > > Regarding the GoWesty kit I don’t recommend this as it still uses plastic > fittings. I use all brass tess and threaded fittings/hose barbs for the > connection to the tank. Silicone coolant hose makes this a near lifetime > repair. For mounting I use the tie wraps with the Christmas tree or pin > mounting using the existing holes maybe adding a couple more. As part of > upgrading the system get rid of that plastic coolant pressure tank and > replace with the Van Café or GoWesty aluminum tank. Besides the tank itself > getting a pressure cap that is common, can be visually inspected, along > with a design where both a cpa and system pressure tester can be easily > used is worth the cost of admission. > > > > After you think you have it all sorted after 500 miles or so have the oil > tested. Coolant getting into the oil become destructive to the bearings > long before it become visible. After an overheat coolant can get into the > oil due to the cylinder becoming loose and coolant seeping under them and > also under the head nuts. The top studs/nuts will leak externally but the > lower ones under the rocker shafts will go into the oil. > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > Dennis > > > > > > *From:* Ryan Cresawn <jrcresawn@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Sunday, January 3, 2021 1:13 PM > *To:* Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@hotmail.com> > *Subject:* Fwd: oil in coolant > > > > Hi Dennis, > > > > I sent this message to the Vanagon mailing list yesterday, but I think it > might not be working. If you have time to reply I sure would appreciate it. > > > > With sincere gratitude, > > Ryan > > > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: *Ryan Cresawn* <jrcresawn@gmail.com> > Date: Sat, Jan 2, 2021, 11:47 > Subject: oil in coolant > To: Vanagon List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com> > > > > The water pump/alternator V-belt failed on my 1991 Vanagon (2.1L engine). > I drove 4.8 miles home. When I parked steam was coming from the engine > compartment. I discovered that the A/C compressor belt also broke. I > believe the A/C belt broke first and then that broken belt got caught > between the water pump/alternator belt and a pulley which caused it to > break. The steam was caused by coolant spraying on the engine from a hole > smaller than a BB in the white plastic coolant bleed ring. I believe that > hole was caused by either excessive heat or impact from one of the broken > belts. I have assessed the damage and begun repairs. > > > > I have replaced the leaking coolant bleed ring with this kit from GoWesty: > > > > > https://www.gowesty.com/product/bundles-and-kits/24210/coolant-bleed-ring-replacement-kit > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.gowesty.com%2Fproduct%2Fbundles-and-kits%2F24210%2Fcoolant-bleed-ring-replacement-kit&data=04%7C01%7C%7C2ce68480f01b421722bf08d8b0134c5c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637452944224975778%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=R0XqI68KvTxHb1qkJy3aN%2F6zkf62RJLO%2Bz76%2Bt1kf5A%3D&reserved=0> > > > > I did not follow their instructions entirely. They supply self-tapping > screws they propose I fasten to painted sheet metal in the engine > compartment. My assumption is that will cause rust. Instead, I purchased > two 3/8-inch oak dowel rods and cut them to length. They fit perfectly in > the white plastic clips that held the original coolant bleed ring. Then I > used zip ties to attach the rubber hose to the dowel rods. I like the final > result. > > > > I blew on the 16-PSI blue coolant cap and it would not make the trumpet > sound so I replaced it with a new one. I put a washing machine flood tray > under the engine and found a coolant leak. It was at the Temp II sensor. I > removed the sensor and found the O-ring was dry. I replaced it with a new > one. I also polished the sensor with Brasso and coated the O-ring with a > thin layer of dielectric grease. I installed new belts. I made a "Libby > bong" and followed the fill procedure. There were no external coolant > leaks. I then started the engine and drove five laps around the block. I > have oil temperature and pressure gauges. I noticed on my drive that the > coolant and oil temperatures began to rise and the oil pressure, which > started high, began to fall. Everything seemed good, but I still needed to > look for coolant and oil mixing. I extracted about 8 ounces (250 mL) of > coolant from the pressurized coolant tank with the blue cap. I let the > coolant sit in my house for a week and eventually noticed a tiny film on > top of the coolant which I assume is oil. I can provide photos if anyone is > curious. Two days ago I leveled the Vanagon and let it set overnight. Then > yesterday morning I let about 1-2 ounces of oil drain from the drain plug > into a glass beaker. I found no coolant in the oil. > > > > I searched the mailing list archives and found a thread about oil being > found in coolant. It looks like Dennis Haynes wrote in 1996 that 95% of > "oil in coolant" problems are caused by a bad oil cooler. If the Gerry > website were up I would provide a link to his post. I bought a new oil > cooler but have not replaced it yet. I drained the oil yesterday. My next > step is to drain the coolant. I will then remove the oil filter and then > the oil cooler. My plan is to install the new oil cooler and then add fresh > oil and coolant. Should I test the oil cooler I plan to remove from the > engine? If I find oil in the coolant after replacing the oil cooler and > fluids where should I look next? > > > > Many thanks, > > Ryan > > >
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