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Subject:Re: vanagon Digest - 8 Oct 2021 to 9 Oct 2021 (#2021-285)
From:Eric Caron
Date:Mon, 11 Oct 2021 10:34:12 -0400

Yes,

        Great discussion!

        There is often more then one right answer to a question.  And we get to make our choices based on info given and our own thoughts and needs.

        A couple years ago a friend gave me several things from a garage full of hoarded items.  I was handed several cases of oil from way back in the time when made in round cans.  Even a metal opener with spout. 

I asked this list and did research and found the oil was as good as it was when new.  As good as the standard of the day.

I gave it to several VW friends running air cooled and I think one vanagon.  It was 20/50 grade. 

It  was happily put to it’s original purpose with no ill effects.

        The oil was good because it had not been opened.

Call me silly but I usually change the oil depending on the miles when ever that is.  But, If I have the option I do change it in the spring after storage.  It just feels nice to start the season with known clean oil.

Eric Caron 
	

> On Oct 11, 2021, at 8:42 AM, Jim. Felder <jim.felder@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> 
> Ergo is you change oil before storage in winter, there is no reason to
> change it again when it comes spring driving time. I think that issue was
> at the heart of this thread, so I wasn’t picking your thread apart. I am
> just trying to cut through the mysticism and find out if oil goes bad
> sitting over a winter. On the two counts you and I have discussed, I’d say
> it does not.
> 
> Say, this list still has some life in it! This discussion takes me back 20
> years.
> 
> Jim
> 
> On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 9:48 PM Geoffrey Toye <geoffreytoye@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Yes, if you change the oil before storage then there will be no blowby gas
>> during storage.  If you don't, then the old oil will have seen lots of
>> blowby gas before storage.
>> 
>> Yes, oil cans don't have an expiration date. The antioxidants are consumed
>> by an operating engine.
>> 
>> On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 5:43 PM Jim Felder <jim.felder@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> In response to David’s welcome and detailed analysis of acidity, water
>>> gets
>>>> into the oil system by way of the blow by gasses that pass the piston
>>> rings.
>>> 
>>> So, if the car isn’t being driven during storage there can be no blowby.
>>> Hence no water in the oil. So scratch that reason, right?
>>>> 
>>>> Oil contains anti oxidants that are life limited. Old oil cannot protect
>>>> your engine.
>>> 
>>> I have never seen an expiration date on a can of oil. So scratch that
>>> reason as well.
>>> 
>>> I could be wrong of course but I can’t see these so-called threats being
>>> realized.
>>> 
>>> Jim
>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>