

| Subject: | Re: Key in power - no start situation |
| From: | Eric Caron |
| Date: | Thu, 4 Nov 2021 21:10:05 -0400 |
Yup, I have Karl’s adaptor and use that starter in my automatic. At the time total cost was about $100.00 starter from Amazon. It is working great. Eric Caron > On Nov 4, 2021, at 9:00 PM, Jim. Felder <jim.felder@GMAIL.COM> wrote: > > I buy entire, brand new gear reduction starters for my diesel westy locally > for about $115. Been using one for years now with no problem. Surely there > is similar for WBX. > > Jim > > On Thu, Nov 4, 2021 at 7:33 PM Richard Koerner <rjkinpb@sbcglobal.net> > wrote: > >> My experience? Failing starter. Yes, you can "knock" it to maybe get it >> to oblige. The successful solution? Get one of these: >> https://www.vancafe.com/WV-001-p/wv-001.htm >> Pair it up with one of these: Bosch Hi Torque Starter >> >> | >> | >> | >> | $209.95 | | >> >> | >> >> | >> | >> | | >> Bosch Hi Torque Starter >> >> Bosch Hi Torque Starter >> | >> >> | >> >> | >> >> Do these two things, and worries are over. Yes, probably $500 altogether >> parts and labor. Reliability? Priceless. I spent 2000 miles from >> Missouri to San Diego, always having to bump start motor with inferior >> products. You can't readily do the bump start with an auto trans. I did >> these things, and now I never ever worry. >> >> >> On Thursday, November 4, 2021, 05:13:33 PM PDT, Richard Smith (Smirby) >> <smirby@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Dear vanagon list folk, >> >> I have a story to tell you. >> >> Long ago, my father purchased a 1985 Vanagon GL Westfalia edition. In 2013 >> I inherited it from him and in 2015 I sold it to one of my neighbours (so I >> could buy a 1987 model). >> >> We are friends and I keep in touch with him and learn about any issues he >> is having with “our old van.” In the past year, he’s had one that has >> confounded both of us. And, thinking back, it also happened to my father >> once or twice. >> >> Here’s the scenario. Keep in mind that we all (my father, me, my friend) >> live on the coast of British Columbia, and on islands. This will become >> important later on. >> >> First my father. Although it only happened once or twice, my father had >> the situation of being in the ferry lineup and the van would fail to start. >> Mysteriously, it would subsequently start and run perfectly and nothing >> could be found to cause it. >> >> Fast forward ten years, and now my friend has the van. He not only lives >> on an island like me, but he has purchased property up the coast, requiring >> two more ferries to get to. And HE has the same issue. Waiting in the ferry >> lineup, you go to load the van onto the ferry and it won’t start. Some time >> later, after the ferry has left, it starts and runs fine. But everyone on >> board the van, including the driver, is traumatized. >> >> In the quest to find out the problem, he replaced almost everything that >> he could think of. It clearly seemed like an electrical issue, but after >> replacing the ignition switch, safety switch at the transmission (it’s an >> automatic), the starter itself, along with various ground straps and power >> wires, the problem continued. >> >> It wasn’t that the battery was dead. It just wouldn’t start. >> >> In between these ferry trips, the van started and ran fine. Never stranded >> them anywhere. What was going on? >> >> Finally, we hit on a possible explanation. There is “key in” power. That >> is, some circuits are active just by having the key in. That’s how the door >> buzzer that warns you that you have left your keys in the ignition is >> activated, for example. My brother used to have his Vanagon’s radio (a >> simple AM radio) wired so that it would run when the key was in the >> ignition. Perhaps others have used this circuit for other things. >> >> And where do you sit, with the key in the ignition but the engine not >> running for long periods of time? The ferry lineup. You are inside the >> vehicle, so you don’t think to take the key out. >> >> Somehow, I think this tiny amount of power is (perhaps) leaking out into >> the chassis and activating something: a relay or perhaps the computer >> itself. This results in the van being unable to start. >> >> Anyway, since we happened upon this theory he has had no further instances >> of the van not starting. Whenever he is stopped for any length of time, he >> removes the keys from the ignition. And, if the key does get left in the >> ignition for a length of time, removing it and reinserting it is sufficient >> to bring it back to normal operation. >> >> I have no illusions that this is a normal operation. I suspect that there >> is a wire cut somewhere, perhaps in the seat buzzer/“you’ve left your keys >> in the ignition” circuit, and it is trickling power into the chassis. Given >> VW’s penchant for completing circuits by interrupting the ground, this >> voltage may be sufficient to light up the computer in the van and cause it >> to go into a funky state. >> >> I would be interested in other people’s view on this theory, and if anyone >> else has a weird no-start situation that seems to be very intermittent. >> Given how seldom any of us would leave the keys in the ignition in our vans >> AND have a wire broken or cut in that “key in” circuit, this may be a >> unique situation. Anyway, I thought I would share it with you. >> >> …r >> >> — >> Richard Smith, Professor CMNS >> 604 653 6073 & smith@sfu.ca >> >>
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