I wasn’t meaning to imply that You had said D15 & Fire were related, I was just laying out what

My Doubts were & was truly curious as to what doubts You were referring to in Your earlier EM when

You said “If You doubted before,”~

        The D15 is indeed an Odd Critter, I’ve seen this issue a bunch & have also seen others that,

like My ’90, appear to be brand new,, Seems that they either look Really Bad or Brand New ~

 

> On 28 Feb , 2022, at 8:08 PM, Alistair Bell <albell@SHAW.CA> wrote:
> 
> I don’t think I said the d15 issue caused the fire. There were musings as to whether an engine fire could cause the d15 damage.
> 
> I think the fire and the connector unrelated.
> 
> I do think that 86.5 model year and newer vans should have the d15 connector checked.
> 
> 
> Ab
>> On Feb 28, 2022, at 6:51 PM, OlRivrRat <OlRivrRat@comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>>     I’m curious AB just what doubt You might be referring to,, I have no doubt that D15 Can Be & Is 
>> 
>> sometimes a serious Problem Child when it comes to the Items that are connected to that circuit,, I do
>> 
>> however hold some doubt that it was that obviously faulty D15 that was the cause of that fire ~
>> 
>>   Might have been but also might not have been ~
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 27 Feb , 2022, at 5:20 PM, Alistair Bell <albell@SHAW.CA> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just to update, I was at the burned out van stripping more stuff. Took a pic of the female side of the D connector.
>>> If you doubted before, this might sway :-)
>>> 
>>> https://shufti.blog/2022/02/19/vanagon-another-d15-connector-failure/
>>> 
>>> Alistair 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 27, 2022, at 3:25 PM, Jim. Felder <jim.felder@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> It must be pretty rare, the unfused failure that might cause a fire. I have
>>>> driven about every kind of VW and many many other cars--rarely owning them
>>>> in the same decade as they were manufactured in--and don't ever recall a
>>>> problem. Except for a Karmann Ghia that burnt to the ground, me, wife and
>>>> infant child fleeing onto the roadway--but that was a battery fire.
>>>> 
>>>> Jim
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, Feb 27, 2022 at 11:24 AM David McNeely <davmcneely40@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Wow!  I guess I didn't realize this.  Given the quite large number of fuzes
>>>>> in every vehicle I have ever had, going back to the early sixties, I
>>>>> thought everything was protected.  I do remember that a large amperage fuze
>>>>> block started to appear in vehicles some time in the eighties or early
>>>>> nineties.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So, if one is part way to a destination when the failure occurs and stops
>>>>> one from going further, that might or might not be better than being stuck
>>>>> at a starting point.  In the latter case, little or no damage may have
>>>>> occurred, other than to the fuze, while part way there and there is a fire
>>>>> .... .
>>>>> 
>>>>> Oh, well.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, Feb 27, 2022 at 8:17 AM Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@hotmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Following old school wisdom I guess the thought at one point was to let
>>>>> it
>>>>>> run to failure! There are many wire circuits in the VW and other cars
>>>>> that
>>>>>> do not have any form of over current protection. Many American vehicles
>>>>> use
>>>>>> a fuse link or other device at the main battery-starter connection to
>>>>>> protect most everything except the starter itself. For the Vanagon while
>>>>>> most every light bulb has fuse protection to the bulb or even filament
>>>>>> level the ignition and fuel system is completely unfused. Same for all
>>>>> the
>>>>>> wiring up most of the switches and even after the switches to the fuse
>>>>> box.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dennis
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com> On Behalf Of
>>>>> Gene P
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2022 1:03 AM
>>>>>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Another D15 connector failure example- The fix!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I just noticed nobody answered that question “why isn’t the ignition
>>>>>> circuit fused?”, so I’ll take a shot at it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Because if it was fused, a burned fuse would prevent the engine from
>>>>>> starting.
>>>>>> It follows the logic that you would be better off being at least part way
>>>>>> to where you’d need to be to get the fire damage fixed.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> gp
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ‘87 T3
>>>>>> ‘81 R65
>>>>>> ‘61 TR3
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From: Alistair Bell
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2022 9:50 AM
>>>>>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Another D15 connector failure example- The fix!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Feb 20, 2022, at 8:49 AM, Alistair Bell <albell@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>> One question though, why isn’t the ignition circuit fused?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Alistair
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>