

| Subject: | Re: 1.9 engine tune up |
| From: | Bruce Todd |
| Date: | Tue, 17 May 2022 09:56:23 -0700 |
Hi Eric - when it comes to hoses I have found that Ken Wilford's Vanagain site has a great diagram / hose chart to get information from for all Vanagons. https://www.vanagain.com/article/coolant-hose-chart-plastic Bruce On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 8:34 AM Eric Caron <ericcaron96@comcast.net> wrote: > Yes, > > I have a strong feeling that if I had a Dennis or other > experienced vanagon person to go through all the basic settings the van > would be running correctly again. > > It frustrates me that I can’t just read the Bently watch some > videos, consult with capable friends then just do it myself. But, the tools > are not all usable and I can’t see a injector spray pattern. > > So, I’m trying to gather knowledge, tools, supplies, and a plan of > diagnosis. > > The Dennis list I put together from two of his recent emails is excellent. > > He also explained better how I can gat a friend to check the O2 sensor. > Even reading the Bentlyh a experienced friend was confused by the > directions. > > I am sad to say that I’m skeptical about the last care done on the van. > The kind folks spent money and love getting it ready for sale and my pick > up. > > If the receipt as a indicator the van should have been ready for a cross > country trip > > Yet my on the ground findings didn’t add up. > > I’m hoping that a call to the shop will give me some useful info but so > far they have not answered the phone. > > Assuming I’m right and a full tune up is still needed for this van what > should I have ready for my helpers? > I have on hand > Valve gasket seals > Injector seals, small and large > New O2 sensor > Even a special removal tool > New temp 2 sensor > Temp 2 seal > Starting spray > New air filter > New alternator belt > New PS belt > > Anyone know the correct hose to get for the coolant line coming from the > reservoir to the large pipe, very short. > > I found some spare new fuel line , Vacuum hose and have a assortment of > spring hose clamps > Have a talking multi meeter to start skill building on. > > I can borrow a compression tester > And can borrow a timing light but friend will need to do it. > > What wires and plugs are recommended > What distributer cap or other parts should be on hand? > > All this info and parts are being gathered and put together to make best > use of friends time, and increase the chance of improvement. > > > Appreciatively, > > Eric > > > > > In the Meantime I have lots of projects on both vans to get me into > trouble. I mean keep me out of trouble. > > Eric Caron > 84 Westfalia > 85 Westfalia > > > > > On May 17, 2022, at 9:59 AM, David McNeely <davmcneely40@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > Eric, when I first got my '91 Campmobile (2.1 Waterboxer, at 138K miles > at that time), it would sometimes but not always lose all power on intended > acceleration. Once I got all components in specification (air, ignition > including timing, fuel) that went completely away and has never reappeared. > > > > On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 7:39 PM Eric Caron <ericcaron96@comcast.net > <mailto:ericcaron96@comcast.net>> wrote: > > Hi Dennis, > > > > I was just not sure what the word mild was. My screen reader > read it as Milt Cam. > > > > I realize now it must have meant Milled cam. > > > > I enjoyed reading the write up on the 2.3 engine. > > > > Interestingly I have the original 2010 packet of the work order and > estimates and work done. my 84 and the HP on the 2.3 in 2010 is 105 not > 114. Maybe because of no GW engine management. > > > > Or the engine has changed in the last 12 years. > > > > It also said specifically for the 1.9 management and manual transmission. > > > > Interestingly also, my contact at GW said the work was not done there, > but the paper work I have indicates that the engine and much more was done > at GW in 2010. > > > > I don’t need it to be perfect but when we step on the gas it needs to go > forward rather then loose almost all power. > > > > I look at this van as a long term project but I really appreciate the > guidance. The more I know and the better prepared I am the better the > outcome. > > It is so nice to be able to work on this van and mean while my 85 is > ready for adventures! > > > > Eric Caron > > 84 Westfalia > > 85 Westfalia > > > > > On May 16, 2022, at 2:51 PM, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM > <mailto:d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>> wrote: > > > > > > Eric, > > > Check the features of the GW 2.3. > > > • A exclusive proprietary GoWesty camshaft grind! > > > I don’t know the specs of this grind. The lift, timing including > duration all have an effect o the air flow through the engine at various > speeds, loads, and throttle positions. Valve timing and overlap effects the > flow and the way the air flow pulses. The engine management is set up based > on certain assumptions. This camshaft change changes many of those > assumptions. How well can the engine management compensate? Some better > than others. So in your case you have increased engine displacement about > 21%, changed compression, changed the valve timing, and you still want it > work perfect. > > > > > > Dennis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2300cc engine – GoWesty<https://gowesty.com/products/2300cc-engine < > https://gowesty.com/products/2300cc-engine>> > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Eric Caron <ericcaron96@comcast.n > > > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 2:15 PM > > > To: Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM <mailto: > d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>> > > > Cc: Vanagon List <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM <mailto: > vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>> > > > Subject: Re: ECU Digital > > > > > > Hi Dennis, > > > > > > I’m collecting your last several emails on this topic and have them > printed and hoping to follow the steps when I have a more skilled helper. > > > > > > One question though, > > > > > > What did you mean when you wrote mild cam? > > > > > > And how does this impact things? > > > > > > > > > > > > For the high idle, this is always a result of some combination of > incorrect basic settings, excess or unmetered air getting into the intake. > In addition having a 2.3L which also has a mild cam will rarely work > perfectly on the 1.9 set up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 15, 2022, at 10:10 AM, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM > <mailto:d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM><mailto:d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM <mailto: > d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>>> wrote: > > > > > > If I recall this tool was mostly for the 86 and later Digifant. It > probably can also work on the Digi jet. Either the ECU or the harness need > to be modified to use. > > > While you are looking for a simple easy to find and fix bullet to > solve your woes, the Digi-Jet is still a fairly simple system and with very > few exceptions most running problems end up being outside the fault of the > FI system. > > > > > > For the high idle, this is always a result of some combination of > incorrect basic settings, excess or unmetered air getting into the intake. > In addition having a 2.3L which also has a mild cam will rarely work > perfectly on the 1.9 set up. > > > > > > Start with checking that the throttle body is properly adjusted. It > needs to fully close without the palte sticking in the bore. There is a > stop screw and lock nut for this adjustment. This is extremely critical as > your distributor has both vacuum advance and retard. The plate needs to > close properly to close off the advance port in order for the retard to > work properly. The distributor should also be tested that the vacuum > operated and mechanical advance parts are working. If setting timing at > idle confirmation is needed that the vacuum retard is in fact fully > retarded. Warm, engine, disconnect O2 sensor and use the sensor and meter > to fine tune AFM. Make sure warm up regulator is closing, uses a heater and > engine case temp to close. Set timing 5 ATDC, mixture to ~.5 volt on O2 > Sensor and base idle speed 850-950 rpm. > > > > > > For the off isle stumble make sure that the closed throttle switch > opens immediately as throttle is opened. If not you go into injector cut > off at ~1350 rpm. Then after that O2 sensor is ignored for a number > crankshaft revolutions. Operation will be wacky. > > > > > > Since this engine has some miles on it it would be a good idea for a > compression and leak down test. As this combination may also be susceptible > to detonation it is also a good idea to put a camera inside the cylinders > and look for piston damage. Carbon in the intake ports and back of the > intake valves can also cause running problems. > > > > > > Dennis > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com <mailto: > vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com><mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com <mailto: > vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>>> On Behalf Of Eric Caron > > > Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2022 8:18 AM > > > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM <mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM > ><mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM <mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>> > > > Subject: ECU Digital > > > > > > So, I’m still at the start of diagnosing a running issue with high > idle and more importantly loss of power when step-in on the gas at a stop. > > > > > > But, A friend was just handed a interesting tool he wants to try out > on the 84 running the 1.9 ignition > > > > > > What do you know about the ECU digitool has the name Darrel Boelher, > in the paperwork. > > > > > > Has a long ribbon cord to take the device to the dash to watch w while > driving and a LCD screen and lights. > > > > > > Anyone out there still using this tool and anyone know it’s history or > usefulness? > > > > > > Eric Caron > > > 84 with 1.9 ignition > > > 85 with GW management > > > >
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