The gray water means nothing. The home-made engineering means a lot, & is a
credit to your ingenuity & perseverance. But for me, the point is the
shower & a simple sun bag is simple & effective. Nothing really to fail,
either.

On Sun, Feb 5, 2023, 10:12 PM Richard Koerner <rjkinpb@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>  I wouldn't worry about it too much.  Ya know how you walk 50 yards with
> your Army Shovel.  Dig a Cat Hole.  Do business.  Toilet paper too.  Cover
> it all up and hike back to Vanagon.
> Meanwhile during the night, all sorts of critters are exploring.  Coyotes;
> rabbits; skunks; raccoons; possums.  Yes, they are absolutely out there and
> skulking around.
> So...your 2.5 gallons of grey water, distributed over a vast array of
> soil, is virtually nothing.
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>     On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 06:42:34 PM PST, Richard Koerner <
> rjkinpb@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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>   Yes.  After that nice hot shower, I take the grey water, and distribute
> evenly across a wide spanse of nothingness.  No muss, no fuss.  I guess I
> am wrong on doing this; I do the calculations....and I figure this is
> pretty much nothing.
>
>     On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 06:29:31 PM PST, Pete Sicilia <
> pete@coffeepot.org> wrote:
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>  What do you all do with the grey water? Do you catch it and do something
> with it... or just let it drain into the ground/mud?
>
> On Sun, Feb 5, 2023 at 5:47 PM Richard Koerner <rjkinpb@sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
>  For me, it was an evolution.  It all started with me and my cousin doing
> Mountain Bike riding in the western Sierras in the early 90's.  Sure, we
> got all sweaty.  No fun getting into sleeping bag after all that.  I
> figured....there has got to be a better way.  I thought...all you need is a
> metal vessel....fill it with water...heat up on Coleman stove; and, add
> some kind of propulsion unit to aggressively force hot water through some
> plastic tubing and into a shower nozzle.  And I exactly did that!  It
> worked perfectly.  Except, I chose a steel 5 gallon gas tank, which of
> course rusted like crazy.  Also, I chose a 12VDC submersible pump from
> Grainger; problem with that....it was intended for intermittent use; it
> rusted and froze.  I rethunk.  So next attempt was an aluminum 20 quart
> stock pot from Costco, and a 12VDC Marine Bilge pump, I started with 800
> GPH unit, but have moved up to 1100 GPH pump.  Oh my!  All systems are go
> now!  Then I got the crazy idea of using Vanagon to source hot water.  I
> deleted Rear Heater long ago; I used the plumbing and fittings, including a
> 20 foot piece of 1/4" copper tubing, wrapped around a paint spray can to
> form a heat exchanger device inside of Aluminum stock pot.  I used a simple
> Ball Valve to turn on/off flow to copper tubing; this involved a companion
> to run back and turn it off and on.  I used a standard BBQ grill
> thermometer from Walmart to monitor temperature; I used old wiring from
> rear heater to make this happen.  Readout on dash.  Next, I lost my
> companion to run back and turn Ball Valve off and on.  So, via Amazon, I
> got one of those motorized valves, and I found a switch (old Rear Window
> defogger switch) which fit the 3rd unused position on dashboard; yes, with
> a tip of switch, hot engine coolant goes into copper tubing, heating up
> water in Stock Pot, all monitored by BBQ Thermometer.  Oh...you want to get
> even more crazy?!!  Using 3D Solidworks, I came up with a delightful design
> of a Shower Curtain, like a giant funnel into a RubberMaid plastic bin.  I
> know at this point, all you guys are  collapsing in fatigue!  I hear ya.
> If I were reading this thing, I would have given up by Sentence #2.  Yes,
> it was a 30 year process.  It was filled with errors.  But now....I
> wouldn't leave home without it.  Absolutely...there are easier solutions to
> the Hot Water Shower issue.  But mine is the finest.
> And of course, I can do it the old school way...pot of water on Coleman
> stove...in the middle of nowhere....it's so fun to see your breath in the
> cold morning air....and you are as clean as a whistle!
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