Hi Jeff,

I needed the aftermarket LED flasher to work with the LED flashers. 

        Until I got the correct flasher I updated all the outside bulbs other than the flashers. 

For some reason the one recommended by river Rat from NAP didn’t work.

Not sure if there is a difference for 85 and earlier vans but I doubt it. 

Happy new year.

Eric 

> On Dec 29, 2023, at 10:50 AM, Jeff Palmer <w.jeff.palmer@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Eric and happy new year in advance! So did you end up using the stock relay or aftermarket then? 
> Thanks
> Jeff
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2023, at 7:04 AM, Eric Caron <ericcaron96@comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi List,
>> 
>>       Thanks to this list I found great LED bulbs for the van exterior. But the flashers didn’t work with the recommended relay.
>> I matched the numbers from the working LED flasher in my other van and ordered it from a place on line called SuperbrightLEDs.
>> CF13GL-02 LED Bulb Electronic Flasher - 3 Pin European Flasher - Black
>> SKU: CF13GL-02
>> 1 $11.99
>> It arrived and worked perfectly.  The price was good and I expect they might have good bulbs as well.
>> 
>> So, this is another list success in helping a member complete a Van improvement project.
>> I love the idea of brighter and safer bulbs, that likely last longer, and use less electrons.
>> 
>> Eric Caron    
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 18, 2023, at 2:51 PM, Eric Caron <ericcaron96@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thank you for this.  And I easily located the flasher relay with these directions.  And double check by listening and feeling it during operation.
>>> 
>>> So, My LED update project hit a snag.
>>> 
>>> I replaced all the exterior bulbs except the flashers.
>>> 
>>> I tried the flashers with the new relay and it didn’t work.  The first flasher didn’t seem to be working.
>>> 
>>> I exchanged the flasher relay and the second one operated but with all turn bulbs in place it just made a nasty noise.  With only two LET turn bulbs in.  Both in rear.  The 4 ways worked correctly and the turn signals worked fast.
>>> 
>>> I tried cleaning all connections.  I did this with a sighted friend.  We also replaced one small spade connector that was in bad shape.  And we cleaned up many connections.  Nothing changed.
>>> 
>>> I think this relay is good but who knows.  It works at least where as the first one did nothing.
>>> 
>>> Any tips on what to try to get the signals to work with LEB bulbs is appreciated.  
>>> 
>>> In the meantime my bulb connections got a good servicing and the bad connector is fixed so lots of good came out of the effort.  Not to mention all the other outside bulbs are nice and bright.
>>> 
>>> Eric Caron
>>> Working on the 84 Westfalia
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 14, 2023, at 8:24 PM, OlRivrRat <OlRivrRat@COMCAST.NET> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>    On My 90 it is the farthest to the Passenger Side of Fuse/Relay block in
>>>> 
>>>> the 1st row above the Fuses ~
>>>> 
>>>>    Just did a bit of digging to remind Myself & on the 80 - 85s the relays are
>>>> 
>>>> on the back side of the Fuse Block & the Blinker Relay is the 1st 1 closest to the
>>>> 
>>>> Drivers side end of the Block ~
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 14 Nov , 2023, at 3:19 PM, Eric Caron <ericcaron96@comcast.net <mailto:ericcaron96@comcast.net>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hey,
>>>>> 
>>>>>   Why didn’t I think of that?  That should work fine.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Typically is it located behind the fuse box or where something needs to first be moved out of the way?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I’ll make time to check this out tomorrow.  Good fun.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Eric
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Nov 14, 2023, at 4:58 PM, OlRivrRat <OlRivrRat@comcast.net <mailto:OlRivrRat@comcast.net>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>          Eric
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  Turn on Your blinkers & feel for the relay that is clicking,,,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> As good as You probably are @ finding by feel, I’m guessing You
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> will find it much easier tham most of the rest of us ~
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 14 Nov , 2023, at 11:28 AM, Eric Caron <ericcaron96@comcast.net <mailto:ericcaron96@comcast.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I got it with the help of a friend, located first try at local NAPA.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Anyone want to give a try to describing the location of this relay so I can replace it and finish updating my LED exterior lights?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Friends commented that the ones I’ve changed so far are much brighter than the old ones.  And I’m very happy about the reduction in voltage and increase in visibility.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Eric Caron
>>>>>>> 84 Westfalia
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Nov 14, 2023, at 12:30 AM, OlRivrRat <OlRivrRat@comcast.net <mailto:OlRivrRat@comcast.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The Flasher Relay that is needed to stop Hyper Flashing LEDs is this 1,
>>>>>>>> Novita Turn Signal / Hazard Warning Flasher EP35
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> which can be found @ most FLAPs,,,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> This is an AutoZone prod’ page link > ClickThis <https://www.autozone.com/electrical-and-lighting/turn-signal-hazard-warning-flasher/p/novita-turn-signal-hazard-warning-flasher-ep35/849390_0_0>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>